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      12-08-2010, 02:04 PM   #221
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I'm just wondering if they both put out 340PS and 450NM torque why you say the N54 has an advantage, stock.

Most likely the N54 will spool quicker from the extra 500cc, that is all I can think of. The N54 should also "feel" smoother, but that should not greatly affect power delivery.

It's mainly gonna be a weight, drive-train and suspension setup game between those two. (1M and RS3)

I don't know the final specs of the 1M yet but it looks like the TT-RS will blow it out of the water, stock vs stock. I understand the TT-RS is at a higher price point, but in my opinion I think BMW could build a TT-RS killer for much cheaper than $76,000 if they wanted to.
With the 500cc more displacement and slightly better compression (10.2 vs 10.0) compared to the RS3 the 1M engine has more torque without boost from the turbos. If you're hitting the throttle, you have more torque to begin with. Assuming that both engines gain roughly 100 to 150Nm torque per second, the initial torque difference stays for some seconds giving the 1M the advantage I was mentioning.

However on the dyno where the engine spools up quite slowly, both engine's torque curves will look very similar.

The TT-RS has 50kg less weight and together with the RS3 it will be quicker when accelerating from standstill due to 4WD and DCT. I expect the 1M to have the same (or even marginally better) Nürburgring times than the TT-TS which has 8:09. I personally wouldn't call that "blowing out of the water"
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With the 500cc more displacement and slightly better compression (10.2 vs 10.0) compared to the RS3 the 1M engine has more torque without boost from the turbos. If you're hitting the throttle, you have more torque to begin with. Assuming that both engines gain roughly 100 to 150Nm torque per second, the initial torque difference stays for some seconds giving the 1M the advantage I was mentioning.

However on the dyno where the engine spools up quite slowly, both engine's torque curves will look very similar.

The TT-RS has 50kg less weight and together with the RS3 it will be quicker when accelerating from standstill due to 4WD and DCT. I expect the 1M to have the same (or even marginally better) Nürburgring times than the TT-TS which has 8:09. I personally wouldn't call that "blowing out of the water"
My bad, I was misinformed. I thought the TT-RS was getting 415HP or something around that. If it is only 340PS like the RS3, then yes, it will around the same or a bit slower than the 1M.
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My bad, I was misinformed. I thought the TT-RS was getting 415HP or something around that. If it is only 340PS like the RS3, then yes, it will around the same or a bit slower than the 1M.
Maybe you were thinking of the new Quattro concept. It has same engine (2.5 TFSI) and makes allegedly 400+ ish HP. Pretty sweet ride

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/audi-.../full/#3637398
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Maybe you were thinking of the new Quattro concept. It has same engine (2.5 TFSI) and makes allegedly 400+ ish HP. Pretty sweet ride

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/audi-.../full/#3637398
Yes, I was thinking of that, about 2800lbs and 400+HP!


Too bad it is looking to be outrageously priced, like the TT-RS......


The TT-RS should be base $50,000 and the Quattro base $70,000.
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Yes, I was thinking of that, about 2800lbs and 400+HP!


Too bad it is looking to be outrageously priced, like the TT-RS......


The TT-RS should be base $50,000 and the Quattro base $70,000.
Agreed. Magazines claim the quattro (if indeed gets production) will be priced in between the TT-RS and R8, but since both are overpriced, I guess this one would be too
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The TT RS is a full 125kg lighter than the RS3, with wider tyres to boot. So no, I don't think the RS3 will match the TT RS in any way. If I don't already have other cars that are "real driver's car", I would be buying a 1M over a RS3 for sure. But for me, whether it be 1M or RS3, it will just be used around town as my other cars are better tools on the track etc.
Agree...

I hadn't taken into account the TT series is around 69% aluminium in its build, so power/weight is at an advantage with the TT series over the A3's...

I too would choose the new 1M over the RS3 all things considered, but would gladly add the rest (ie if I could) and get a TT-RS over a 1M, pity here in Aust. we pay so much for vehicles like these
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