C&D: 2012 BMW 1M Coupe prototype drive

BrokenVert · 07-10-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyT

I wouldn't bet the bank on what C&D said about driving in a pre production test car. Wait until the M division publishes the specs in Nov-December before you start trying to deep throat your Glock....

...they didn't even drive it...they were passengers

sid33 · 07-10-2010, 10:11 PM

Wow ! ! A 335 HP version of the N54 ?? Thats a dissapointment. 335 HP is fine but this is an M car how can they stick the same engine from the previous model 135i ?? Im really glad I got my M3 and didnt wait around ... Maybe its too soon to overreact but im going to be honest , speaking for myself , thats a little bit of a let down.

HERR FSTIR · 07-10-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sid33

A 335 HP version of the N54 ?? Thats a dissapointment. 335 HP is fine but this is an M car how can they stick the same engine from the previous model 135i ??

It's not a N54. The motor will be a derivative of the N55 and will also serve as the basis for the f30/32 M3 motor.

Output of 335hp is speculation on the part of C&D. Scott has previously indicated the more likely output is 350-360hp.

E82tt6 · 07-10-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sid33

Wow ! ! A 335 HP version of the N54 ?? Thats a dissapointment. 335 HP is fine but this is an M car how can they stick the same engine from the previous model 135i ?? Im really glad I got my M3 and didnt wait around ... Maybe its too soon to overreact but im going to be honest , speaking for myself , thats a little bit of a let down.

Where are you getting 335 hp from?

Specs were never released, C/D just guessed.

Up until two days ago, they were positive it was a 350hp N/A I6 that was being developed specifically for this car.

Scott says it's "not a chipped 135" motor, so I'll take him at his word.

sid33 · 07-11-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by E82tt6

Where are you getting 335 hp from?

Specs were never released, C/D just guessed.

Up until two days ago, they were positive it was a 350hp N/A I6 that was being developed specifically for this car.

Scott says it's "not a chipped 135" motor, so I'll take him at his word.

Just going off the article .. All im saying is that if this is in fact true its a let down . Thats all im saying .

sid33 · 07-11-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HERR FSTIR

It's not a N54. The motor will be a derivative of the N55 and will also serve as the basis for the f30/32 M3 motor.

Output of 335hp is speculation on the part of C&D. Scott has previously indicated the more likely output is 350-360hp.

Again just going off the article here . Its stating its an N54 engine . We can all wait and see but lets be honest this is not what most people were expecting if it is in fact true .. Until BMW comes out and says it we just have too see ...

crazy08 · 07-11-2010, 05:04 PM

how does the 1 M coupe compare to the 135i with M sport package? beside the cosmetic stuff?

E82tt6 · 07-11-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sid33

Just going off the article .. All im saying is that if this is in fact true its a let down . Thats all im saying .

I know. I'm saying it's not truth, just like it wasn't truth when C/D said it was a specially designed 350hp NA I6.

It's pure speculation.

The only thing we "know" about the engine is that it's not a chipped 135i motor, and that it's a turbocharged I6. Anything beyond that is speculation.

Jaguar66 · 07-11-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sid33

Again just going off the article here . ...

Again, going off the article is fraught with error. I would rather believe Scott before C&D.

IS3andME · 07-11-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sid33

Again just going off the article here . Its stating its an N54 engine . We can all wait and see but lets be honest this is not what most people were expecting if it is in fact true .. Until BMW comes out and says it we just have too see ...

Maybe if you paid attention to someone from BMW Marketing that has been giving us info, you wouldn't give so much props to the C&D article.

Scott26 has said the engine is the S55, and hp is around 360 PS. The info is littered about in several threads, one can just them.

JasonCSU · 07-11-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by amdmaxx

why everyone wants DCT? its nothng but warrany liability and they don't handle torque as far as I can see with other manufacturers...
Manual please!! Cheaper and easy to replace.

Laziness I suspect. I'd doubt that everyone is driving through L.A. style rush hour traffic to justify the DCT. Sure, the DCT can shift faster and improve your times at the track, but I keep thinking of that R&T article comparing regular manuals with dual clutch transmissions. The DCT's in both their test cars, an Evo X and Porsche Cayman, ended up overheating during the tests.

ptack · 07-11-2010, 10:36 PM

Don't think BMW didn't stage manage this whole little event. While they didn't write the article they are hardly going to let a major publication get the facts completely wrong about a new product they just demonstrated. How would that help BMW?

Can anyone read the sidewall on that tire closeup? I can see ... 35 x R19, but I can't read the width.

issabmw · 07-11-2010, 10:42 PM

disappointing so far

issabmw · 07-11-2010, 10:43 PM

looks good though, thats about it.

radiantm3 · 07-12-2010, 12:20 AM

Someone should seriously create a FACTS post about the 1 Series M Coupe and sticky it. Only info in that post is what has been proven by photos, quotes from BMW, and info from Scott.

Scott all but confirmed DCT in the 1M and people still believe what C&D writes.

Dackelone · 07-12-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ptack

Can anyone read the sidewall on that tire closeup? I can see ... 35 x R19, but I can't read the width.

I saved the C&D photos(the larger, higher res ones - posted here) by right clicking. Then opened them in a photo shop program. THEN you can see the tire sizes!

But I can still only make out the front size.

Fronts: 245/35ZR19 93Y
Rears: XXX/35ZR19 ?

I think the rears might be 285's... I can only make out that the size ends in a five, could be x45 as well!?!? Does that make any sense?

Edit; Btw I am not sure of the aspect ratio either for the rear. Could be 35zr19's or 55 ???

Jaguar66 · 07-12-2010, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

I saved the C&D photos(the larger, higher res ones - posted here) by right clicking. Then opened them in a photo shop program. THEN you can see the tire sizes!

But I can still only make out the front size.

Fronts: 245/35ZR19 93Y
Rears: XXX/55ZR19 ?

I think the rears might be 285's... I can only make out that the size ends in a five, could be x45 as well!?!? Does that make any sense?

Same size tires and wheels as on M3 245/35-19 Fr, 265/35-19 Rear

Robert · 07-12-2010, 02:33 AM

Doesn't the 135i already understeers. With added width to the back tires and without significant power upgrade, I'd imagine the handling remain understeer biased.

shockin330i · 07-12-2010, 03:04 AM

if this is just a retuned 135, fail in so many ways.. Tuned 135> 1 m coupe

Jaguar66 · 07-12-2010, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shockin330i

if this is just a retuned 135, fail in so many ways.. Tuned 135> 1 m coupe

According to Scott, this will be a true M car, components from M3, upgraded tires/wheels/ suspension, brakes, LSD (all of which should dramaticly improve handling), modified N55 twin turbo (not twin scroll).

It is "not a chipped 135i" according to Scott. I have driven BMWs normal cars, and then their M cars, always dramatically better.

I think your words "if" and "fail" won't apply when you drive this car. I have faith. Don't you?

BMW86 · 07-12-2010, 04:33 AM

Everyone is underestimating what this 1M will be. No M car has ever disappointed, they all deliver the goods in the performance department. I already think a tuned 135i engine would have been ideal for a 1M, all we were missing with the 135i were all the other M bits. This is what will make it a true M car.

IS3andME · 07-12-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by issabmw

disappointing so far

Kinda like the R34 GTR was from the factory...

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ptack Brigadier General 269 Rep 4,470 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: May 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 135i [6.50]	Don't think BMW didn't stage manage this whole little event. While they didn't write the article they are hardly going to let a major publication get the facts completely wrong about a new product they just demonstrated. How would that help BMW? Can anyone read the sidewall on that tire closeup? I can see ... 35 x R19, but I can't read the width. __________________ 135i, SGM, Coral, Sport Package, Auto, Premium Hifi, USB/ipod, Apex EC-7s, PPK Stage II
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Robert Major General 417 Rep 6,968 Posts Drives: 135i -> is350 -> Tesla M3 perf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Socal iTrader: (1)	Doesn't the 135i already understeers. With added width to the back tires and without significant power upgrade, I'd imagine the handling remain understeer biased.
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