Evolve Automotive Experience

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Yes, that's the fundamental lack of understanding I was referring to-- the engine can't begin to properly run without precat 02 sensors. That you thought turning them off was an option shows exactly what level of knowledge you're coming into this with (what company the tune is coming from has nothing to do with this whatsoever-- the engine must have pre cat O2 sensor readings to function).

Yes, your car was thowing a rich code in one bank before. That was the beginning of your sensor failing, not a tune issue and not caused by the tune-- the ecu CAN'T be tuned to run richer in one bank than the other.

I'd read in several threads that they shut both off. That is also why I was confused & why I asked the question. After communicating with Karl from Active he answered my question.

I'm referring to the data logged not the code thrown from the failing 02.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

I'd read in several threads that they shut both off. That is also why I was confused & why I asked the question. After communicating with Karl from Active he answered my question.

I'm referring to the data logged not the code thrown from the failing 02.

You are using data from a failing O2 sensor?

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

The question really boils down to: why not give them a shot with the hardware sorted?

You have seen my results and AFRs. Does anything look rich or odd to you?

I am done wasting time with them, as stated in earlier posts. I am choosing to move on. I made it known to them that I was not satisfied with their product/service. When asking for a refund they denied., stating my hardware issue was not their tunes fault, even though the data logged suggested it's been running rich as did several other characteristics the motor displayed.

If they change their mind I will update the thread, until then I see nothing more to discuss.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

You are using data from a failing O2 sensor?

Negative, data was logged before the 02 sensor started throwing codes. See prior posts.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

Negative, data was logged before the 02 sensor started throwing codes. See prior posts.

O2 sensors stop functioning properly long before they throw codes.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by Obioban

O2 sensors stop functioning properly long before they throw codes.

Alrighty.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by Obioban

O2 sensors stop functioning properly long before they throw codes.

Yup.

And MarkkyyMan, I've shown you all of the data of my car working flawlessly for well over a year now. And I'm hardly the only one running Evolve+SS+3stage. No one here is judging you, just trying to help on a topic you seem a bit new to.

Hell, you know its a bad sign when even Axiom thinks you should give Evolve a chance with fresh O2s.

[DietTab]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

E46 M3?

yes

[MarkkyyMan]

After a suggestion from a friend I decided to flash the car back to the stock DME calibrations. Since then I have drove 91 miles. These are the codes I have so far.

[Suprgnat]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Hell, you know its a bad sign when even Axiom thinks you should give Evolve a chance with fresh O2s.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by DietTab

yes

Who was the local tuner?

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

After a suggestion from a friend I decided to flash the car back to the stock DME calibrations. Since then I have drove 91 miles. These are the codes I have so far.

With the stock tune? Holy crap, it's like you have a hardware issue, not software! So surprising.

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Who was the local tuner?

Reaks of frank smith

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by Obioban

With the stock tune? Holy crap, it's like you have a hardware issue, not software! So surprising.



Reaks of frank smith

When did I say I didn't have a hardware issue? Are you even reading previous posts?
Edit: I stated I had hardware issues back on page 6.

Not quite sure what you're going for in all of this Obioban. Hoping in on the last two/three pages of this thread as it's concluding & acting like you know exactly what has been going on all along isn't serving you so well. Much of the comments you have made have been answered in previous pages & it would benefit you to read them before trying to discredit the situation. We know you have sunk thousands of dollars in this company and will defend them to the end of the earth, so if you are out to prove that please take it elsewhere.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

When did I say I didn't have a hardware issue? Are you even reading previous posts?
Edit: I stated I had hardware issues back on page 6.

Not quite sure what you're going for in all of this Obioban. Hoping in on the last two/three pages of this thread as it's concluding & acting like you know exactly what has been going on all along isn't serving you so well. Much of the comments you have made have been answered in previous pages & it would benefit you to read them before trying to discredit the situation. We know you have sunk thousands of dollars in this company and will defend them to the end of the earth, so if you are out to prove that please take it elsewhere.

I think you have the cause and effect backwards-- I have and continue to purchase evolve products because I think they're the best BMW tuner out there. Previously my cars have had tunes by Conforti, VAC, ESS, and AA. Over time I have moved all of them to evolve hardware and software because it's consistently the best.

I'm posting in here because I don't think their reputation should be damaged by a customer that won't (or can't) understand the issue his car is having.

[MarkkyyMan]

I am merely posting my experience & data logged. As stated on the first page everyone is welcome to form their own opinion.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

I am merely posting my experience & data logged. As stated on the first page everyone is welcome to form their own opinion.

Yes, and I am merely posting things you're wrong about and what the issue actually is so that people can actually form accurate opinions.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Yes, and I am merely posting things you're wrong about and what the issue actually is so that people can actually form accurate opinions.

-I didn't know the answer as to which set of 02 sensors A.A. turned off because I have read they shut both off which did confuse me. Apparently confusion discredits all knowledge on a particular subject..

-I admitted on a previous page that I clearly have a hardware issue now.

Me citing a tune running rich causing: 02 sensor blow outs, data logs running rich months prior knowledge of 02 sensor issues, & violent exhaust pops. I am saying this is the underlying cause for issues and my dissatisfaction.

Are these not characteristics of a tune running rich?

Where have I stated false information? You problem appears to be more with me than the actual issues.

I am sorry that it is so hard for you to accept the fact that Evolve has made several mistakes in the course of this transaction. Which they did admit to earlier incase you didn't read that part too..

[631twentyeighteye]

For the record, AA's newest tune version doesn't turn any o2 sensors off.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

For the record, AA's newest tune version doesn't turn any o2 sensors off.

That the one you are testing?

[631twentyeighteye]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

That the one you are testing?

Yes. I'll be making the thread I promised on Thursday.

[MarkkyyMan]

My earlier statements on their CSL airbox & Exhausts containing valves was not to take anything away from those hardware pieces. I'm sure they work & function fine. My apologies to Salman & Evolve if that offended you in anyway, was not my intention.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

Yes. I'll be making the thread I promised on Thursday.

Awesome, can't wait to read your feedback.