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      06-01-2020, 07:14 PM   #1035
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Just in case anyone was wondering if police can shoot looters, no:
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." It was found that use of deadly force to prevent escape is an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment, in the absence of probable cause that the fleeing suspect posed a physical danger.
We're in very scary times talking about using the US military against US citizens, and tear-gassing peaceful protesters for political photo ops.

Free speech concerns anyone? military dictatorship worries?
You’re so fucking delusional.

Let’s dig up your post from when Barack used the military to kill 4 US citizens.

Peaceful protestors? What a clown

This is all so suffocating.

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if you let this low rent spectacle stand...

You'll see it on a much broader scale in November.
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Peaceful protestors? What a clown

This is all so suffocating.
It's only suffocating for the peaceful protesters

there are like 100 clips of it. just fyi.
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Just in case anyone was wondering if police can shoot looters, no:
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." It was found that use of deadly force to prevent escape is an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment, in the absence of probable cause that the fleeing suspect posed a physical danger.
We're in very scary times talking about using the US military against US citizens, and tear-gassing peaceful protesters for political photo ops.

Free speech concerns anyone? military dictatorship worries?

Also, your statement about “if police can shoot looters” is incorrect, or correct if worded properly, which it wasn’t.

That ruling specifically is governing “when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape...”, not ambiguous “can shoot looters.”
If the suspect (rioter/looter etc) isn’t “fleeing” then that ruling isn’t case law nor does it set a precedence for that situation.

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It's only suffocating for the peaceful protesters

there are like 100 clips of it. just fyi.
That’s too bad, hope they feel better.

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Also, your statement about “if police can shoot looters” is incorrect, or correct if worded properly, which it wasn’t.

That ruling specifically is governing “when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape...”, not ambiguous “can shoot looters.”
If the suspect (rioter/looter etc) isn’t “fleeing” then that ruling isn’t case law nor does it set a precedence for that situation.

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Well I want to loot your house, why can't I? And before someone tells me this hasn't happened yet...cities weren't in chaos a week ago either.
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Well I want to loot your house, why can't I? And before someone tells me this hasn't happened yet...cities weren't in chaos a week ago either.
Very true, but we won’t let these savages keep US down.

As for my house, or any in my region, it wouldn’t end well for the looters.

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It's only suffocating for the peaceful protesters

there are like 100 clips of it. just fyi.
Rioters being tear gassed, imagine my shock!

Did you think the rioters were going to take a nap so he could make his address?

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Rioters being tear gassed, imagine my shock!

Did you think the rioters were going to take a nap so he could make his address?

As an addition, the protests get way more aggressive once the night hits. Taking a proactive path perhaps was a good decision (although the photo op was dumb)

Let's see what happens tonight...but sorry, I'm not giving the 'peaceful protests' the benefit of the doubt anymore once night hits.
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Just in case anyone was wondering if police can shoot looters, no:
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." It was found that use of deadly force to prevent escape is an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment, in the absence of probable cause that the fleeing suspect posed a physical danger.
We're in very scary times talking about using the US military against US citizens, and tear-gassing peaceful protesters for political photo ops.

Free speech concerns anyone? military dictatorship worries?

Also, your statement about “if police can shoot looters” is incorrect, or correct if worded properly, which it wasn’t.

That ruling specifically is governing “when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape...”, not ambiguous “can shoot looters.”
If the suspect (rioter/looter etc) isn’t “fleeing” then that ruling isn’t case law nor does it set a precedence for that situation.

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Actually we can use deadly force, but we must be able to articulate why we felt deadly force was necessary. Prior to that ruling shooting fleeing felons was open game.
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Two negatives do not make a positive, vandalizing American stores right after they were trying to reopen after Covid19 so they can provide for their families.
Anyone involved in that is taking on tons of karmic debt and hopefully prison time.

If you don't like our system in America, get on a plane and move to your country of choice. In the meantime, we will not tolerate chaos or disorder.
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Actually we can use deadly force, but we must be able to articulate why we felt deadly force was necessary. Prior to that ruling shooting fleeing felons was open game.
Yes, I know that, I was merely pointing out the misrepresentation of that case law.

Stay safe Sedan

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Actually we can use deadly force, but we must be able to articulate why we felt deadly force was necessary. Prior to that ruling shooting fleeing felons was open game.
Yes, I know that, I was merely pointing out the misrepresentation of that case law.

Stay safe Sedan

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Got it! This situation is so out of hand right now.
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Actually we can use deadly force, but we must be able to articulate why we felt deadly force was necessary. Prior to that ruling shooting fleeing felons was open game.
Of course, shooting looters in plain site for stealing TV's or whatever is horribly wrong. The problem is you have one side shouting 'no justice, no peace' what does this mean? I can do whatever I want until my demands are met? It's crazy
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Actually we can use deadly force, but we must be able to articulate why we felt deadly force was necessary. Prior to that ruling shooting fleeing felons was open game.
Of course, shooting looters in plain site for stealing TV's or whatever is horribly wrong. The problem is you have one side shouting 'no justice, no peace' what does this mean? I can do whatever I want until my demands are met? It's crazy
These looters have served to cause more divide than the initial act. I think that was the intent all along. We've taken 5 steps backward.
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These looters have served to cause more divide than the initial act. I think that was the intent all along. We've taken 5 steps backward.
The looters don't give a damn about Floyds' life. I'm not sure they're inherently looking to divide but the way CNN and other outlets is covering this is entirely ridiculous. The coverage and sentiment that they're justified is way worse than the actual looting IMO.
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For those wondering, yes, some police call out their own.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...outputType=amp
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For those wondering, yes, some police call out their own.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...outputType=amp
It's important you posted this because the greatest irony is the morons yelling and shouting profanities at the cops in front of them...when they are arguing not to discriminate.
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Looting is still happening - an hour ago in NYC. Guess who ultimately pays for this?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/statu...559859712?s=20
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Two negatives do not make a positive, vandalizing American stores right after they were trying to reopen after Covid19 so they can provide for their families.
Anyone involved in that is taking on tons of karmic debt and hopefully prison time.

If you don't like our system in America, get on a plane and move to your country of choice. In the meantime, we will not tolerate chaos or disorder.
I agree with half of what you said. However, it is the duty of every American citizen to work to improve the way we are governed and our way of life. The country of choice is AMERICA and the people who choose to make it better are what makes it great.
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