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i wouldn't worry about maxnix. he is full of skewed ideas and mis-information about manual transmissions. just the other day he got owned trying to say that downshifting is bad for your car
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1 thing i'll add- i've driven a n55 dct, and i'm currently driving a step 328i loaner vehicle.....these transmissions downshift by themselves, without me even touching the brakes. how can downshifting be bad for a car's engine or transmission when BMW factory automatics downshift on their own? maxnix- |
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BMW has turned shifting gears into pure subjective entertainment value. I'd rather take the performance edge of DCT over the subjective entertainment value of the manual transmission.
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08-14-2010, 02:08 PM | #53 |
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After 3 months in 11 DCT 135i, I am truly on the fence still! Went back and forth in the ordering of this car between MT and DCT and now agree that in 3-4 years time I may be back to MT. Also in agreement with many of the posts here, there is no right answer. On the track you cannot ask for anything better than DCT and in your daily commute if the 1 is your daily driver you will enjoy the DCT and its ability to let you "play when you want" and simply "commute" as most do in their daily drivers taking phone calls etc...... BUT when all is said and done if you forget the above and enjoy the interactions that ONLY a MT can offer you will have moments of regret. For me those moments of regret are few and far between as I love the DCT 95% of the time, but when I am at the track and most of my track mates have MT cars I do feel like a "sell out" and possibly losing touch with the driving experience basics, but then I think of Ferrari who do NOT offer MT anymore. For the poster who feels Ferrari still offer MT in some of its models go re-check your facts.....you are wrong........and also dont forget BMW originally did not offer MT in the M5......
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The automated downshifts with DCT take place at a lower road, hence engine, speed for the gear involved. Typically on my M3 it will go from whatever to 3 then 2 then 1 at a stop. There's negligible compression braking as a result and thus no issue.
By the way, dual-clutch forever. I'll never go back to a manual and I've driven plenty for many years, BMW, Porsche, Honda (the S2000 is sweet), etc. The M-DCT anyway is very good, I don't need to futz around with another pedal, foot, and a sometimes balky/notchy lever to feel "involved".
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Agree with your predicition. No one substituation of manual will work for manual lovers. We just need to shift something and feel it.
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So, every time you take off from a stop at a light or a stop sign, you 'dump' the clutch while applying power? And, you think that's good for your clutch every time you move from a stop? Well, I don't. Proper throttle and clutch modulation, which DOES include proper clutch slip, will get you moving smoothly and in a controlled manner. Using your method we'd have to burn out on every stop and deal with even MORE friction wear on the clutch due to having to use a lot of HP while we DUMP the clutch to get moving. Do you think the stock clutch clamping force is that great that it still won't slip a bit even on a clutch dump? If so, then rethink it. Last edited by RPM90; 08-16-2010 at 12:47 AM.. |
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A properly driven clutch will still wear over time. But, most of it's wear occurs during take off where you have to modulate the slip, and during hard, high hp shifts where the clutch still slips a bit between shifts, as it gets bite and grabs. The DCT does this too. It has to so that it can accommodate a driver who takes off slowly form a stop vs a driver who wants to launch it at every start. I'm not talking about poor clutch control where one rides the clutch while moving or shifting through every gear. Last edited by RPM90; 08-16-2010 at 01:11 AM.. |
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Ok, so finally you acknowledge that controlled slippage is a good thing, and allows proper veh icle operation. |
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I didn't realize that I was just perceiving it. I thought I was actually performing the gear changes. So then, does the DCT give you an enhanced perception of direct control over your shifts? Moving a switch up/down, or tapping a lever, asking the computer to do the gear change is more real and more directly in control of the shifting process? Yes, a manual trans does give "entertainment value". I agree that indeed the "manual" cars are very entertaining and FUN. |
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Sure there is great feel to a manual transmission. It would be a greater stretch to believe that the great feel of a manual transmission is necessarily efficient. DCT has proven that it will out think and out play a human being. Does DCT have a similar feel of a manual? No way. That is the sacrifice and the decision point people need to make. I chose efficiency over feel. Others may differ.
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