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      07-28-2014, 04:31 PM   #89
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Lease is ending in fall on my 128 manual and Im looking at possible other options. one dealer had two 135i DCT with 4-6k off new price. I test drove, and while the engine power is smooth and strong, overall the drive was bleh, soft, tame, uninspiring. I swear I would mash petal to the floor and be able to fully count to 2 before the engine did anything. One time, the engine actually reved way up to 5-6 rpms AFTER I took foot off accelerator! My manual is quick, responsive and instantly on tap. Them having DCT and not manual was the deciding factor that made me pass on those otherwise excellent cars.

To each his own, but not for me.
If you drove the test car in full auto mode. You missed the whole point of a dual clutch. DCT rules! I row through all those gears every day in manual mode and rather enjoy no clutch. Up one, or blip down one, two or even three gears. DCT's are way faster for every day daily driving.

BTW... sport mode on the throttle response and S mode on the Auto DCT is just as fun.

Go test drive it again.
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      07-28-2014, 04:49 PM   #90
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Lease is ending in fall on my 128 manual and Im looking at possible other options. one dealer had two 135i DCT with 4-6k off new price. I test drove, and while the engine power is smooth and strong, overall the drive was bleh, soft, tame, uninspiring. I swear I would mash petal to the floor and be able to fully count to 2 before the engine did anything. One time, the engine actually reved way up to 5-6 rpms AFTER I took foot off accelerator! My manual is quick, responsive and instantly on tap. Them having DCT and not manual was the deciding factor that made me pass on those otherwise excellent cars.

To each his own, but not for me.
If you drove the test car in full auto mode. You missed the whole point of a dual clutch. DCT rules! I row through all those gears every day in manual mode and rather enjoy no clutch. Up one, or blip down one, two or even three gears. DCT's are way faster for every day daily driving.

BTW... sport mode on the throttle response and S mode on the Auto DCT is just as fun.

Go test drive it again.
the only way to drive a DCT is with the paddles....if you're putting it in D.....it's not worth even discussing IMO

dual clutch gearboxes are fantastic in paddle/manual mode....still not as involving as a real manual gearbox IMO----but great nonetheless!
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      07-28-2014, 05:25 PM   #91
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If you drove the test car in full auto mode. You missed the whole point of a dual clutch. DCT rules! I row through all those gears every day in manual mode and rather enjoy no clutch. Up one, or blip down one, two or even three gears. DCT's are way faster for every day daily driving.

BTW... sport mode on the throttle response and S mode on the Auto DCT is just as fun.

Go test drive it again.

THIS! THIS! THIS! Thank you Chunner, for saying what I didn't! I was instantly pissed off and I shouldn't have been.
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      07-29-2014, 11:02 AM   #92
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how you figure that? i bought the perfect size to power ratio car i can afford. im extremely happy with my purchase. i love my bimmer!!! do you?
I think it is a fantastic compromise if you need a comfortable DD but still want something fun to drive. When I bought it that is exactly what I wanted and traded in my S2000 for it. Now that I have it as a good DD though, I miss having a raw, proper drivers car. The S2000 was the softest car I had ever owned before the 1er though, so that may be why it feels so disconnected to me.
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      07-29-2014, 11:46 AM   #93
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The normal auto mode is supposed to feel granny-like. It exists to get you the mileage you need to offset your bad behavior the other 90% of the time
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      07-29-2014, 03:12 PM   #94
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The normal auto mode is supposed to feel granny-like. It exists to get you the mileage you need to offset your bad behavior the other 90% of the time
LOL... when i'm feeling cheap... I put it into that normal auto mode.... After 10,200 miles. My computer says I average 15.2 miles per gallon.

What am I doing wrong?
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      07-29-2014, 03:30 PM   #95
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I traded my first auto 135 for my manual 135. Just isn't the same.

It was a steptronic with paddles though, not DCT.
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      07-29-2014, 11:15 PM   #96
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LOL... when i'm feeling cheap... I put it into that normal auto mode.... After 10,200 miles. My computer says I average 15.2 miles per gallon.

What am I doing wrong?
enjoying yourself

I average over 17 with no real highway miles at all
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      07-30-2014, 05:06 PM   #97
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enjoying yourself

I average over 17 with no real highway miles at all
EVERY DAY! Loving my Dinan Stage 3. wooweee!!!
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      07-31-2014, 11:24 AM   #98
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My reason for not going DCT among others is it only comes with the N55 if I understand correctly.

It was N54 awesome motor with steptronic (boring as shit to me) or the 6MT that I got.

I BELIEVE all the DCT 135's are only N55s. I wanted the twin turbo. JB4 N54 is a blast.
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      08-01-2014, 02:05 PM   #99
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Not gonna lie, I'm D most of the time. I avg. about 19.5 MPG (I reset the MPG avg. in the DIS every fill up).
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      08-01-2014, 02:39 PM   #100
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The DCT in manual mode it is just as fun as a 6mt, but in a different way. I rarely have it in D unless i have other people in the car.
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6MTs suck. I'm going to swap a 5speed auto transmission into my 1M. I'm not even going to install an overdrive off button.
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The DCT in manual mode it is just as fun as a 6mt, but in a different way. I rarely have it in D unless i have other people in the car.
Spent this past weekend driving curvy roads in vermont. This is my first paddle shift car after 20+ years of stick shifts. I LOVE my DCT. The feeling of hurtling towards a curve, flick, flick, downshift from 4th to second immediately, take the curve, mash on the gas, flick, flick, back in 4th, etc. etc. is a wonderful feeling. It leaves you 100% focused on the driving, taking the curves, and not on shifting. I think all the haters have not been in a DCT car on a fun twisty road.
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      08-05-2014, 11:22 AM   #103
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I really like my 2012 with a DCT, but all of my other cars are manual. This was a nice departure, but I would buy a manual if I had a "do over". Nothing against the DCT...just personal preference. They are great cars with either transmission.
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I really like my 2012 with a DCT, but all of my other cars are manual. This was a nice departure, but I would buy a manual if I had a "do over". Nothing against the DCT...just personal preference. They are great cars with either transmission.
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      08-05-2014, 03:18 PM   #105
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I was kinda hoping to point the discussion in the technical direction by posting an idea overheard at a well-respected tuning shop. Does anybody have ideas on whether or not you lose boost when you engage the clutch?
You lose boost between gear changes, but it doesn't have anything to do with the clutch. You loose boost between gear changes because you take your foot off the throttle. This causes the throttle body to shut, which would cause pressure to build in the intake since the turbos are still spinning fast, except that the blow off valve recognizes this pressure change and releases all of the compressed air (boost).

There is such a thing as no-lift-to-shift that a lot of tunes provide on turbo'd cars. This allows you to keep the throttle wide open between shifts so that you don't lose boost in between gears.


Now back to the topic, the manual holds power better which is my main reason for liking it better. If I was going to keep the car stock, I might consider a DCT. But that kind of defeats the purpose of getting a highly tuneable car like these for me.
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      08-09-2014, 01:32 PM   #106
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Now back to the topic, the manual holds power better which is my main reason for liking it better. If I was going to keep the car stock, I might consider a DCT. But that kind of defeats the purpose of getting a highly tuneable car like these for me.
This is the drawback that i don't like. Id really love to turn up the boost and not worry about the clutches.
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      08-09-2014, 03:10 PM   #107
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If any of you DCT peeps have ever had it shift down when you wanted it to shift up....please input this thread. Very weird occurrence after racing an Sti the other day. http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1021188
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This is the drawback that i don't like. Id really love to turn up the boost and not worry about the clutches.
The new F30 M3/M4 have a 7 speed DCT and they are pushing 425HP. Does anybody if the DCT is substantially different between them and the E82 135i?
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The new F30 M3/M4 have a 7 speed DCT and they are pushing 425HP. Does anybody if the DCT is substantially different between them and the E82 135i?
Yes, pretty sure the M3/M4 uses the newer Getrag DCI700 (same as the M5 I believe) whereas the E8*/E9* 135i/335i/M3 uses the older (& lower torque capacity) Getrag DCI600 unit.
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