Installed cool carbon pads, don't feel bite.

DBFIU · 05-09-2010, 01:58 AM

Hello,

I just finished installing my cool carbon pads as per instructions. I was meticulous with everything and made sure the bedding procedure was followed.

I applied CRC brake quiet to the back of the pads and let it sit for a couple hours before install.

I took it out on the highway in mexico, went to 80 and pressed the brake and brought her down to 20 in increments of brake pressure from 75% to 90% pressure. I did this about 10 times, I let the brakes cool. The car brakes very hard but it does not BITE like the stock pads did.

The stock pads were extremely sensitive, just touching the brake pedal and the car would stop. This is not the case with these pads at this point, they do not bite initially and require more pedal travel at the beginning of the braking process.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

- Dan

Evice · 05-09-2010, 07:47 AM

I will say give it at least 300 miles. Then again you need to be operating on hot brakes for those pads to work properly.

GaryS · 05-09-2010, 09:46 AM

I think pretty much everyone has commented that Cool Carbons have much less initial bite than OE pads.

ianc · 05-09-2010, 11:52 AM

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The stock pads were extremely sensitive, just touching the brake pedal and the car would stop. This is not the case with these pads at this point, they do not bite initially and require more pedal travel at the beginning of the braking process.

What's not to like? The stock brakes are too sensitive and don't give adequate modulation IMHO. Less bite probably means less dust too. Count your blessings,

ianc

DBFIU · 05-09-2010, 11:55 AM

I am more relieved if people have commented that these pads dont have bite. Because I thought I did something terribly wrong with the install. Air in the lines, got CRC on the pad surface etc... But if people say they don't bite like the OEMs than I am ok with that, I just wanted to know if it was normal. The car brakes real nice, but definately has less initial bite which takes getting used to.

Thanks for the heads up all.

- Dan

clar · 05-09-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryS

I think pretty much everyone has commented that Cool Carbons have much less initial bite than OE pads.

If only i knew that. I am swapping out the cool carbons in my next service. The loss of initial bite amounts to loosing the edge BMW cars have in general. I would rather live with the dust over this...

timhatimay · 05-09-2010, 01:09 PM

My coolcarbon pads did get a little more bite after more miles it seems (500+), but overall have much less on the initial bite than OEM. I felt this was a good thing however. The grabby feeling of the OEM brakes just makes them hard to use and predict, and I think the carbons just feel much more linear. I find them very predictable and easy to use on the street (especially traffic). All the braking power is there, you just need to push harder...maybe you can do some workouts on your right leg (it will make the car faster too!).

Tim

bradford · 05-09-2010, 03:07 PM

Someone fill me in on why people are replacing the stock pads? They're pretty great pads IMHO...especially when they're FREE.

timhatimay · 05-09-2010, 03:25 PM

For me the OEM pads had way too much noise...actually it was embarrassing to drive with a squeak like that! The CC pads have no noise, and much less brake dust. Not only that but it seemed like the initial bite was unpredictable on OEM (not linear). Not to mention the CC pads have shown on other cars to be much more resistant to pad fade if used on a track, or hard braking, etc. I haven't got to prove it yet, but hopefully soon. IMO these pads are much better than the OEM, yet still fit and look OEM. They weren't free, but you'll only get one set of free pads from BMW anyways, so I'm OK with missing out on that for better drivability and performance.

Tim

bradford · 05-09-2010, 04:58 PM

lol

GaryS · 05-09-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bradford

Someone fill me in on why people are replacing the stock pads? They're pretty great pads IMHO...especially when they're FREE.

The brake dust looked really bad, and I wasn't willing to clean it often enough. I also did dislike so much initial bite and did find it difficult to modulate. Also reviews of Cool Carbons were 100% positive especially about cold performance and resistance to fade.

DBFIU · 05-09-2010, 08:55 PM

i got mine solely because of dust. Cant fucking stand this dust, looks like i had 100,000 miles on my brakes when they were replaced. Half inch thick layer of soot all over the caliber surfaces. And it gets the rim dirty in a matter of days. Performance is good too.

BahamaBart · 05-09-2010, 09:15 PM

did you bed them in properly?

noro · 05-09-2010, 10:54 PM

I got a set of Cool Carbons for my M3, they are not installed yet however I did notice the metallic back plate that is attached to the pads using a sticky foam like material. There is no other reason for this plate but noise reduction. For those that are less concerned with noise you might want to consider removing that plate. After using a blowdryer they came off pretty easily. I bet you the pedal will feel a bit different once this plate is gone.

clar · 05-10-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BahamaBart

did you bed them in properly?

Bedding doesn't change anything. I did a very decent few rounds of bedding, but doesn't help in the initial bite department. Seems like its the inherent characteristics. I don't fancy it at all

Alternating between my 135i and my wife's 130i, my 135i with cool carbon feels lacking. Lots of travel before any meaningful braking. Even caused some scares on the highway for me a few times...

bradford · 05-10-2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DBFIU

Performance is good too.

Yeah it sounds great. That explains this thread.

escobar929 · 05-10-2010, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradford

Someone fill me in on why people are replacing the stock pads? They're pretty great pads IMHO...especially when they're FREE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by clar

If only i knew that. I am swapping out the cool carbons in my next service. The loss of initial bite amounts to loosing the edge BMW cars have in general. I would rather live with the dust over this...

although I hate the dust, hate it. I can live w/ it because i love the feel of the oem brakes, i actually find them fairly predictable, the only problem is when im not paying attention

onefastman · 05-10-2010, 10:31 AM

I dont dislike the oem ones except for the dust.

david @ eas · 05-10-2010, 12:50 PM

The stock pads are extremely grabby when you first touch them. Think of it as when you first touch the brakes, they come on at 20%. With the Cool Carbon Pads you get a more linear feel with more grip than the OE pads. The initial grab of the stock pads, at least in my case, can be quite annoying because I'm used to giving a very linear feel to the brakes when I'm on track or even when I'm street. Knowing what overall percentage you're giving if it's under 20% like I usually use for street use, cannot be used if you have the grabby OE pads for the 1 series/3 series.

In terms of break dust, you will see that start to go away once you break the pads in

Esmallstii · 05-10-2010, 07:11 PM

Ive had my cool Carbs on for a little while, and have found that they do get better after about 500 miles or so. Def dont have that initial Bite,..but I dont really find it to be that big of a deal. My right leg got used to it in a day. PLUS,..brake dust has dropped WAY off. Dont have to clean my rims 1/2 as much as before.

BahamaBart · 05-10-2010, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clar

Bedding doesn't change anything. I did a very decent few rounds of bedding, but doesn't help in the initial bite department. Seems like its the inherent characteristics. I don't fancy it at all

Alternating between my 135i and my wife's 130i, my 135i with cool carbon feels lacking. Lots of travel before any meaningful braking. Even caused some scares on the highway for me a few times...

I just raised it because I have time and again seen people not set the pads and of course any pad sucks if not set.

thez99 · 05-10-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jurrian @ eas

The stock pads are extremely grabby when you first touch them. Think of it as when you first touch the brakes, they come on at 20%. With the Cool Carbon Pads you get a more linear feel with more grip than the OE pads. The initial grab of the stock pads, at least in my case, can be quite annoying because I'm used to giving a very linear feel to the brakes when I'm on track or even when I'm street. Knowing what overall percentage you're giving if it's under 20% like I usually use for street use, cannot be used if you have the grabby OE pads for the 1 series/3 series.

In terms of break dust, you will see that start to go away once you break the pads in

This is exactly why I bought these. Linear brake travel is what its all about, that huge bite can get you in an accident if ur not always careful. I found it a lil jarring once or twice. These pads are much smoother, yes pedal travel is a lil farther but they perform just as well if not harder than stock AS WELL AS last longer without dust.

Yay for CC pads
Maybe ill up to SS lines when i have my next set of mods installed. Might firm up the pedal a bit.

05-09-2010, 01:58 AM	#1
DBFIU Crack Addict 84 Rep 759 Posts Drives: Fast Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hollywood, Florida iTrader: (0)	Installed cool carbon pads, don't feel bite. Hello, I just finished installing my cool carbon pads as per instructions. I was meticulous with everything and made sure the bedding procedure was followed. I applied CRC brake quiet to the back of the pads and let it sit for a couple hours before install. I took it out on the highway in mexico, went to 80 and pressed the brake and brought her down to 20 in increments of brake pressure from 75% to 90% pressure. I did this about 10 times, I let the brakes cool. The car brakes very hard but it does not BITE like the stock pads did. The stock pads were extremely sensitive, just touching the brake pedal and the car would stop. This is not the case with these pads at this point, they do not bite initially and require more pedal travel at the beginning of the braking process. Any suggestions? Thanks - Dan __________________ 2009 - Titanium Silver - Steptronic - 135i - Nasty
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Evice Major 194 Rep 1,457 Posts Drives: E92M3 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere here iTrader: (1)	I will say give it at least 300 miles. Then again you need to be operating on hot brakes for those pads to work properly. __________________ My Track Videos
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GaryS Colonel 37 Rep 2,084 Posts Drives: 2009 135i 6MT Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 135i [6.50]	I think pretty much everyone has commented that Cool Carbons have much less initial bite than OE pads.
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DBFIU Crack Addict 84 Rep 759 Posts Drives: Fast Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hollywood, Florida iTrader: (0)	I am more relieved if people have commented that these pads dont have bite. Because I thought I did something terribly wrong with the install. Air in the lines, got CRC on the pad surface etc... But if people say they don't bite like the OEMs than I am ok with that, I just wanted to know if it was normal. The car brakes real nice, but definately has less initial bite which takes getting used to. Thanks for the heads up all. - Dan __________________ 2009 - Titanium Silver - Steptronic - 135i - Nasty
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timhatimay Lieutenant 129 Rep 559 Posts Drives: ///M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (1) Garage List 2018 BMW M3 [0.00] 2009 135i [0.00]	My coolcarbon pads did get a little more bite after more miles it seems (500+), but overall have much less on the initial bite than OEM. I felt this was a good thing however. The grabby feeling of the OEM brakes just makes them hard to use and predict, and I think the carbons just feel much more linear. I find them very predictable and easy to use on the street (especially traffic). All the braking power is there, you just need to push harder...maybe you can do some workouts on your right leg (it will make the car faster too!). Tim __________________ M3 6MT SmTo/CS ZCP 135i MT JB/CR ///MSport - Gone
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bradford Major 28 Rep 1,035 Posts Drives: 2008 SGM 135i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicago > * iTrader: (4)	Someone fill me in on why people are replacing the stock pads? They're pretty great pads IMHO...especially when they're FREE.
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timhatimay Lieutenant 129 Rep 559 Posts Drives: ///M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (1) Garage List 2018 BMW M3 [0.00] 2009 135i [0.00]	For me the OEM pads had way too much noise...actually it was embarrassing to drive with a squeak like that! The CC pads have no noise, and much less brake dust. Not only that but it seemed like the initial bite was unpredictable on OEM (not linear). Not to mention the CC pads have shown on other cars to be much more resistant to pad fade if used on a track, or hard braking, etc. I haven't got to prove it yet, but hopefully soon. IMO these pads are much better than the OEM, yet still fit and look OEM. They weren't free, but you'll only get one set of free pads from BMW anyways, so I'm OK with missing out on that for better drivability and performance. Tim __________________ M3 6MT SmTo/CS ZCP 135i MT JB/CR ///MSport - Gone
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noro Colonel 90 Rep 2,707 Posts Drives: '91 M3, '04 E46 ZHP, '72 2002 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	I got a set of Cool Carbons for my M3, they are not installed yet however I did notice the metallic back plate that is attached to the pads using a sticky foam like material. There is no other reason for this plate but noise reduction. For those that are less concerned with noise you might want to consider removing that plate. After using a blowdryer they came off pretty easily. I bet you the pedal will feel a bit different once this plate is gone. __________________ zhpregistry.net - ZHP stats and free classifieds.
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david @ eas 256 Rep 4,048 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Anaheim iTrader: (5)	The stock pads are extremely grabby when you first touch them. Think of it as when you first touch the brakes, they come on at 20%. With the Cool Carbon Pads you get a more linear feel with more grip than the OE pads. The initial grab of the stock pads, at least in my case, can be quite annoying because I'm used to giving a very linear feel to the brakes when I'm on track or even when I'm street. Knowing what overall percentage you're giving if it's under 20% like I usually use for street use, cannot be used if you have the grabby OE pads for the 1 series/3 series. In terms of break dust, you will see that start to go away once you break the pads in
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Esmallstii Systematic Chaos 40 Rep 550 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Waterford, NY iTrader: (1)	Ive had my cool Carbs on for a little while, and have found that they do get better after about 500 miles or so. Def dont have that initial Bite,..but I dont really find it to be that big of a deal. My right leg got used to it in a day. PLUS,..brake dust has dropped WAY off. Dont have to clean my rims 1/2 as much as before. __________________ BSM/Coral red/Sp pkg/Cft access/Htd seats/BMW Performance Pedals, Spoiler, & Rotors/18" VMR V710's/Hankook Ventus/Cool Carbon Pads ."The 135i's engine sound is so ferocious and bittersweet, so carnal and wicked, somebody ought to name a heavy-metal band after it: Velvet Chain Saw."
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