Motortrend 1/4 mile drag race (1M vs. all)

[Sy546]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

Cars 2-6, all had a higher trap speed than than #1(GTR). Tells me that the Nissan has a crazy launch. The other cars make up for the slightly inferior launch in speed by the time they reach the 1/4mile and would probably be faster with a 5mph 'street start'.

exactly. 1/4 mile only matters on at the drag strip honestly. most people do highway runs where launching doesn't matter and AWD cars are at a disadvantage.

i never launched my supercharged s2000 but it would trap at 115. even though my friend w/ his e92 m3 beat me from a standstill after the 1/4 and on the highway he gets murdered.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

Yup, there really isn't a turkey in the bunch. Although I would rather have one GT3($115k) than a 1M(~$55k) + Boss(~$55k), JMO.

me too!

[Moo]

Originally Posted by Moo

Stolen from a Jalopnik post (with some price corrections):

11.) Lotus Evora S (12.9 sec @ 109.9 MPH) -- $76K
10.) BMW 1 Series M Coupe (12.8 sec @ 110.2 MPH) -- $45k
9.) Porsche Cayman R (12.7 sec @ 111 MPH) -- $66k
8.) Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca (12.4 sec @ 115 MPH) -- $47k
7.) Porsche 911 GT3 RS (11.9 sec @ 120.7 MPH) -- $186k
6.) Chevrolet Corvette Z06/Z07 (11.9 sec @ 123.7 MPH) -- $75k
6.) Lexus LFA (11.9 sec @ 123.7 MPH) -- $375k
4.) Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG (11.7 sec @ 124.1 MPH) -- $187K
3.) Audi R8 GT (11.5 sec @ 125.1 MPH) -- ~$300k
2.) Ferrari 458 Italia (11.3 sec @ 125.6 MPH) -- $220k
1.) Nissan GT-R (11.2 sec @ 121.8 MPH) -- $89k

For shits & giggles I made a visual comparison of the "super pack 1/4 mile" cost:time ratio, and thrown in a Honda Civic Si ($23K, 1/4 mile @ 15.0s) for perspective

[Rasya]

Originally Posted by ADVANT123

I'd love to see the results if the 1M had a tune/bolt-ons...

That's what I was thinking! 450 bhp should shake at least half a second off, no?! Thought the same while I was dragging this 996 turbo the other day and just nearly had to let him go...

Pitty euro-warranty gets killed with a tune :-(

[///1M]

Originally Posted by Moo

For shits & giggles I made a visual comparison of the "super pack 1/4 mile" cost:time ratio, and thrown in a Honda Civic Si ($23K, 1/4 mile @ 15.0s) for perspective

Moo,
I like the idea of charting cost over time, but I don't think the formula you're using is correct. I think it's penalizing cars that are posting better times, as the denominator decreases. For example, if the Nissan GT-R had posted a better time, its ranking on this chart would get worse.

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

Yup, there really isn't a turkey in the bunch. Although I would rather have one GT3($115k) than a 1M(~$55k) + Boss(~$55k), JMO.

I'm not going to say your crazy cause the GT3 is an awesome car but you may be crazy!

I have a Boss (non LS) and a 1M I'm picking up in Munich next week. First off both cars have useable back seats. Secondly, having two very different cars to choose from to drive on any given day is cool! The Boss with the exhaust opened is loud and proud. Cool muscle sounding, performance car. Thumbs up from people who wouldn't even look at a Porsche, not that this matters but for a guy that never thought he'd have a muscle car because they handle badly, it's fun.

The 1M will be pretty much the direct opposite of the Boss. Quiet (relative terms) and sophisticated. Basically these are the best of both worlds. I agree, neither is a true Super Car, but they are super cars and great fun on road and track.

Your pricing is also off on both of these. I got my non-LS Boss (which is the better route for all but track only guys, back seats,same speed and power) for $43k and the pretty basically built/low option 1M from Euro Del for right at $46k.

And finally, have you considered cost to own? BMW service free. Ford Boss service, Ford pricing. I had my 8 qts. of full syn oil changed at Ford dealership and they even said sorry when the gave me the bill for $96! Try that at a P-car dealership!

[MrRoboto]

As great a performer the Mustang is, I have 0 interest in owning one. Priced out a basic Boss...~58k CD.

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

As great a performer the Mustang is, I have 0 interest in owning one. Priced out a basic Boss...~58k CD.

Awww, Canada.

Several cars on here I don't want (Lotus, MB, etc) becuase of the price.

[Moo]

Originally Posted by ///1M

Moo,
I like the idea of charting cost over time, but I don't think the formula you're using is correct. I think it's penalizing cars that are posting better times, as the denominator decreases. For example, if the Nissan GT-R had posted a better time, its ranking on this chart would get worse.

The way it's represented is looking at the cost efficiency. The scenario you've described (time performance) can be done by graphing "time/cost"

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

Awww, Canada.

Several cars on here I don't want (Lotus, MB, etc) becuase of the price.

Yup...we get the shaft on pricing for sure. Much more evident now that the Loonie is stronger then the Greenback.

[TX78666]

$50,000 car / 20 second quarter = 2500
$50,000 car/10 second quarter = 5000

Yes, it appears that the calculation is wrong. Time/cost just reverses the problem. In that case faster cars are better, but more expesive cars are too.

Counter-intuitive as it may seem, cost x time would work, with the lowest scores winning.

[Sy546]

sorry but boss 302 + 1M wouldn't be a great combo for me. id do 1M + 08 SRT 10 Viper.

$60k+$55k = $115k

the SRT 10 will be in the mid 11s in the 1/4

[Moo]

Originally Posted by TX78666

$50,000 car / 20 second quarter = 2500
$50,000 car/10 second quarter = 5000

Yes, it appears that the calculation is wrong. Time/cost just reverses the problem. In that case faster cars are better, but more expesive cars are too.

Counter-intuitive as it may seem, cost x time would work, with the lowest scores winning.

You are right, the best way to account for both cost and performance is to multiply them

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by S.hasan546

sorry but boss 302 + 1M wouldn't be a great combo for me. id do 1M + 08 SRT 10 Viper.

$60k+$55k = $115k

the SRT 10 will be in the mid 11s in the 1/4

Apples and oranges here. Your talking about 1/4 times and I'm talking about real life, day to day driving. I'm not even saying I'll put either on the track (road course) cause neither are as much fun as a cheap, purpose built track car.

I love SRT 10 but come on, are you really going to drag the kids to school in the SRT 10. Either the Boss or the 1M make a good real world daily driver AND offer tons of fun and power!

WHO in their right mind buys a BMW for 1/4 mile times?

[Sy546]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

Apples and oranges here. Your talking about 1/4 times and I'm talking about real life, day to day driving. I'm not even saying I'll put either on the track (road course) cause neither are as much fun as a cheap, purpose built track car.

I love SRT 10 but come on, are you really going to drag the kids to school in the SRT 10. Either the Boss or the 1M make a good real world daily driver AND offer tons of fun and power!

WHO in their right mind buys a BMW for 1/4 mile times?

lol thats why i picked both the srt + 1m rather than boss + 1m. You don't need 2 DDs

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by S.hasan546

lol thats why i picked both the srt + 1m rather than boss + 1m. You don't need 2 DDs

Ok, I concide that point! Good call, BUT....

Your math is still fuzzy!

$43K+$46K=$89K OR a saving of $26K and I have a 2012 AND a 2011 both new and covered!

Now the only question that remains is, what do I do with the $26K still burning a hole in my pocket? Track car? Track time? a couple trips around the world? Turn both my cars into wild beasts? Or put BOTH my limited edition cars in storage and buy two nice E46 M3's and have a ball!

[Sy546]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

Ok, I concide that point! Good call, BUT....

Your math is still fuzzy!

$43K+$46K=$89K OR a saving of $26K and I have a 2012 AND a 2011 both new and covered!

Now the only question that remains is, what do I do with the $26K still burning a hole in my pocket? Track car? Track time? a couple trips around the world? Turn both my cars into wild beasts? Or put BOTH my limited edition cars in storage and buy two nice E46 M3's and have a ball!

Well i priced my 1M and Boss LS fully loaded. And the boss has a markup almost everywhere. $55k for the 1M and $49k for the Boss LS + $5k markup is the norm from what ive seen these days.

But your right. Id do 1M + e36 track car

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by S.hasan546

Well i priced my 1M and Boss LS fully loaded. And the boss has a markup almost everywhere. $55k for the 1M and $49k for the Boss LS + $5k markup is the norm from what ive seen these days.

But your right. Id do 1M + e36 track car

Dang, Now I'm confused?

Your a "drag rcacer"(only guys I know of concerned with 1/4 mile times) but you ordered a fully loaded 1M? And if you buy a loaded 1M, you'd likely buy a Non-LS so you have the same power and 1/4 mile speed with more comforts.

And who mentioned E36 track cars? I have a Spec E30 and a E46 track car. My brother has a E36 track car for sale cheap, but oh yea, you don't have that $26k in your pocket, so you can't buy it!

Seriously, I'm just screwing around. The beauty is that no two car guys agree on the same car(s) to have and that is the fun of it. Enjoy them all!

[mPlasticDesign]

i appreciate the effort but these 'Cost/Performance' graphs are silly. You should know that beyond a certain point, performance gains become more and more incremental and a lot more expensive!

For example a Veyron is $1000/hp and a Hynudai Accent is ~$102/hp. Pointless comparison.

[1M Fan]

I'm still trying to figure out why the used a Z06 instead of a ZR1 for there super car challenge. 650HP would put on an awesome show at a drag race

[Moo]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

i appreciate the effort but these 'Cost/Performance' graphs are silly. You should know that beyond a certain point, performance gains become more and more incremental and a lot more expensive!

For example a Veyron is $1000/hp and a Hynudai Accent is ~$102/hp. Pointless comparison.

Right, it's just one angle of perspective.

You can say the same about this whole M/T comparison. 1M is not in the same class as a GTR or Italia... Cayman & Boss, maybe. It's all for shits & giggles.

[Sy546]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

I have a Spec E30 and a E46 track car.