M Twin Power Turbo 0W-40

[nachob]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Should update this thread.

BMW no longer carries/sells the Twin Power 0W40.

Looks like I am switching to Castrol 0W40.

Aya yay! Seriously? My dealer has a bunch of it. If you go Castrol 5W-40 US is LL-01. I use that in wife's GtI

[GAZ 345]

do you know why they don't,& what are they using/recommending now

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by nachob

Aya yay! Seriously? My dealer has a bunch of it. If you go Castrol 5W-40 US is LL-01. I use that in wife's GtI

Yup, you will only find what is left in dealer stock. BMW warehouse stock is zero. BMW Germany warehouse stock is zero.

The Castrol Edge 0W40 is still the good stuff made in Germany. I like the thinner oil at start up. It is physically impossible to be too thin at startup. Even the thinnest 0W is three or four times thicker at startup than even a 60 weight is at operating temp.

[MightyMouseTech]

The good stuff.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by GAZ 345

do you know why they don't,& what are they using/recommending now

BMW now uses 5W30/0W30 in the M cars.

[GAZ 345]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

BMW now uses 5W30/0W30 in the M cars.

what would you recommend for a car that does not get tracked & a scottish climate (slightly warmer than the north pole) ,0-30 or 0-40,as i can get the 0-40 for a better price

[nachob]

Originally Posted by GAZ 345

what would you recommend for a car that does not get tracked & a scottish climate (slightly warmer than the north pole) ,0-30 or 0-40,as i can get the 0-40 for a better price

If climate is cool and you don't drive hard, 0W-30 is fine IMHO. I still find that once it warms up the 1M, like most turbo BMWs, runs on the high side of what I'm used to so 0W-40 is great for cold starts and has a little more on the hot end. Part of the reason BMW puts 0W-30 is to increase fuel mileage but 40 should be better for warm protection as shown on the BMW chart I attached.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

The good stuff.

Is that LL-01?

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by nachob

Is that LL-01?

Yes it is.

[GAZ 345]

at my last oil change i supplied my own shell helix 0/40 for the dealer to use,i'm so glad i did this as it's working much better than the old 5/30,my weekly driving is 10 mile daily drive,by the end of the week there would be mayo/sludge on the filler cap,this does not happen on longer journeys so i'm thinking it's because engine is not getting up to optimal temps causing condensation in top of engine,with the 0/40 the engine get's up to temp quicker & no more sludge on the cap,so it's a winner from me

[amw896]

I just called for a quote and it's $9.95 for the 5w-30 and $15.49 for the 0W-40 here in Windsor, Ontario. Damn, that's quite the spread!

I need to investigate these two oils more. I currently put the 5w-30 in my 235i but after seeing this chart, I want to start using the 0w-40.

Originally Posted by nachob

Yes and no!

Ok if you drive in a 135i into my dealer and they put BMW 5w-30 they charge $90 plus tax. If you drive in a 1M they charge you $159 for the exact same oil change but if you specify 0W-40 M Oil there is no extra charge. So I just paid the regular M car price but asked for the 0W-40. I could probably go to other dealer and get it for less but they take really good care of my car. They don't test drive and park it out front in the shade, not under the bird nests like the other cars so that's the price difference.

If anyone out there gets it, let us know what you paid. I also just put this in my 2003 330i ZHP and it feels a little more "eager" in the morning after cold start.

I was able to buy it for about $9.60 per liter which is actually less than the Pennzoil which sells by the quart for same price. A litter is larger than a quart.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by amw896

I just called for a quote and it's $9.95 for the 5w-30 and $15.49 for the 0W-40 here in Windsor, Ontario. Damn, that's quite the spread!

I need to investigate these two oils more. I currently put the 5w-30 in my 235i but after seeing this chart, I want to start using the 0w-40.

I heard they are discontinuing. Most dealers selling it now for $10 or under here in the US. I would try another dealer parts department. Also online they are listing at $10 USD.

[amw896]

So, basically we are being forced to go 30 or go to another brand? Don't know if I like the sound of that...

Originally Posted by nachob

I heard they are discontinuing. Most dealers selling it now for $10 or under here in the US. I would try another dealer parts department. Also online they are listing at $10 USD.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by amw896

So, basically we are being forced to go 30 or go to another brand? Don't know if I like the sound of that...

sounds like it. They released the 0W-40 but never told anyone. My dealer had boxes sitting around not knowing what it was for so it never sold. Terrible marketing. It was sold as an upgrade to for turbo M cars. I only found it by accident when I came up on a european BMW site, then saw it sold in US. You should pick some up while you can. I bought extra stuff. If you want to go 40 weight, I would go with LL-01 Motul 5w-40 or Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 which is Shell OEM and BMW approved. Since you're in Canada and have real winters though, the BMW 0W-40 would be my first choice. Here in San Diego we don't have real winters so I can go 0W-40 or 5W40. I never gets below freezing here. If it gets to 39 F in the winter they call out the national guard and declare it a freeze emergency. : )

[amw896]

Weird, thanks for the info. I actually store it during the winter so I will be probably end up going with platinum euro 5w40. Cheers!

Originally Posted by nachob

sounds like it. They released the 0W-40 but never told anyone. My dealer had boxes sitting around not knowing what it was for so it never sold. Terrible marketing. It was sold as an upgrade to for turbo M cars. I only found it by accident when I came up on a european BMW site, then saw it sold in US. You should pick some up while you can. I bought extra stuff. If you want to go 40 weight, I would go with LL-01 Motul 5w-40 or Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 which is Shell OEM and BMW approved. Since you're in Canada and have real winters though, the BMW 0W-40 would be my first choice. Here in San Diego we don't have real winters so I can go 0W-40 or 5W40. I never gets below freezing here. If it gets to 39 F in the winter they call out the national guard and declare it a freeze emergency. : )

[juld0zer]

In our market, we have a letter from BMW technical stating we must use 0w40 LL01 oil in the S55 and S63 engines, and the N55 motor used in the M2.

Unsure if this is market specific but North America sees temperatures at both ends of the spectrum so i imagine it might be true for NA too

[FIRSTM]

I have used 0W-40 on my cars since 2009, 09 GTR, 1M, and 2014 Porsche 991,
all using 0W- 40 with no hic-up, Traded in the GTR after 5yrs for the Porsche 911, still have my 1M since new, and the 911. Oil change interval between 5-6k miles, or 5-6 months which ever comes first, my Army moto..
keep it simple and stupid, 1M is 50k miles and the 911 has 25K. Proper oil changes and maintenance is the key.