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      07-16-2018, 10:45 PM   #45
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[that is] why he wont release his tax returns.
I think he is smart to not provide ammunition to his political foes. The bonus is watching them still crying about it. :
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By him not supplying the tax returns, he has created his fair share of political enemies.Not sure if enemies are a good thing.
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you realize of course that quite a few of his bankruptcies were in businesses where people paid cash to make bets where he controlled the odds, and he came out okay but screwed his bondholders. This later forced him to accept Russian money (laundered) for his golf course enterprises because no bank would finance him.
That's where the good times began for us, and why he wont release his tax returns.
But the IRS has seen and processed them without any claim of money laundering. How does the public not seeing them make them illegal?
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No one said they were illegal. However, the special prosecutor likely has access to tax returns and the ability to trace sources of funds.
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No one said they were illegal. However, the special prosecutor likely has access to tax returns and the ability to trace sources of funds.
You have to report source of funds on return.
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No one said they were illegal. However, the special prosecutor likely has access to tax returns and the ability to trace sources of funds.
Let's agree on your theory. How does this support some need for a public release to clear Trump's name?
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you realize of course that quite a few of his bankruptcies were in businesses where people paid cash to make bets where he controlled the odds, and he came out okay but screwed his bondholders. This later forced him to accept Russian money (laundered) for his golf course enterprises because no bank would finance him.
That's where the good times began for us, and why he wont release his tax returns.
Was one of those golf courses the one he shilled while in Great Britain?
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are "tax returners" the new "birthers"?
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are "tax returners" the new "birthers"?
Not quite, Obama released his birth certificate.


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Not quite, Obama released his birth certificate.


similar concept. we are going to hear about both for decades
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similar concept. we are going to hear about both for decades
Not if Trump follows Obama's lead...

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Obama released his birth certificate.
But it was a fake, created by the Deep State to hide his true birthplace -- Mars!

Just ask Trump. He has the facts.
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Not if Trump follows Obama's lead...

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But it was a fake, created by the Deep State to hide his true birthplace -- Mars!

Just ask Trump. He has the facts.
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Let's agree on your theory. How does this support some need for a public release to clear Trump's name?
The president was supposed to remove himself from all his businesses that would have any possible conflict with the business of the United States. Do you suppose he has, and how would you know?
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Let's agree on your theory. How does this support some need for a public release to clear Trump's name?
The president was supposed to remove himself from all his businesses that would have any possible conflict with the business of the United States. Do you suppose he has, and how would you know?
Yawn.
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are "tax returners" the new "birthers"?
Naw, they're worse. Having been born in the US is actually a prerequisite to being President. Requiring a birth certificate from candidates is a legitimate part of the vetting process.

People screaming for tax returns are just bitter that Hillary lost.
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Naw, they're worse. Having been born in the US is actually a prerequisite to being President. Requiring a birth certificate from candidates is a legitimate part of the vetting process.

People screaming for tax returns are just bitter that Hillary lost.


You honestly see no reason for concern if, by chance, the President of the USA had significant personal financial ties to other countries? Especially countries where public/private ownership is a little... shall we say.... blurry?

You really don't see an issue if that were the case?
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I'm gonna assume that's a response to me. On which count am I wrong?

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You honestly see no reason for concern if, by chance, the President of the USA had significant personal financial ties to other countries? Especially countries where public/private ownership is a little... shall we say.... blurry?

You really don't see an issue if that were the case?
That's not what I said, at all.

Besides, Trump is under no obligation to produce his tax returns just because his political opponents think that *maybe*, *possibly*, *it could just be the case* that he has financial ties that they disapprove of. It's like me asking you to prove that you aren't a child molester.

If you want to accuse someone of such, the burden is on the person bringing the accusation to provide the evidence to support the accusation. I have no evidence that you are a child molester, thus I have no grounds to demand that you prove you aren't.

Again - being a natural born citizen is a prerequisite to the presidency. Requiring a candidate to provide verification that they meet this requirement is reasonable and prudent, no different than an employer verifying that a potential employee has the qualifications to hold a given job title.

Providing ones tax returns is not a part of the qualification process for the presidency, nor is it even something that has traditionally been supplied. The calls for Trump to provide his tax returns are motivated by nothing more than simple animosity and assumptions.
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You honestly see no reason for concern if, by chance, the President of the USA had significant personal financial ties to other countries? Especially countries where public/private ownership is a little... shall we say.... blurry?

You really don't see an issue if that were the case?
I'm much more concerned about Trump betraying the country because of a financial gain he might make, than Obama betraying us because of allegiance to another country (Kenya?).
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You really don't see an issue if that were the case?
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I'm much more concerned about Trump betraying the country because of a financial gain he might make, than Obama betraying us because of allegiance to another country (Kenya?).
I've lived in the USA, many of my friends are from there. My roots are from Finland, Germany Russia and possibly from all the fucking all over I can't even name. I have Jewish blood, gypsy, Christian and atheist in me.

I have friends with the blackest skins, who are more Finnish than i. My pizza place is owned by a former refugee from Afghanistan now studying politics in tamu (Tampere university).. her husband is a delivery boy/ nursing student.

Birtherism was stupid for the whole just because, but it is also stupid because it is such a narrow way to view the world.

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