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I approve of Mr Trump's job performance 86 59.72%
I disapprove of Mr Trump's job performance 58 40.28%
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      07-14-2018, 10:40 AM   #133
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That's the best you can do?
Trump is doing a better job than Obama, so why you're still upset?
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      07-14-2018, 11:54 AM   #134
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That's the best you can do?
Trump is doing a better job than Obama, so why you're still upset?
As poorly as Obama performed, he lied maybe 10% as much Trump?
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      07-14-2018, 12:14 PM   #135
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I don't believe Obama did a bad job, and he would easily win another election.
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      07-14-2018, 12:48 PM   #136
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I don't believe Obama did a bad job, and he would easily win another election.
Yeah Obama didn't do a bad job.
His failed Middle East policy created the European refugee crisis!

Chaos in Libya, Syria, hundred of thousands killed in Syria because of His policy to remove and undermine the secular Assad, Kadafi and underestimating ISIS.

Regime change in Egypt, Stronger Iran, Iran started the war in Yemen...

Bush 43 could've told big dummy, regime change doesn't work in the middle east.
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      07-14-2018, 05:01 PM   #137
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I don't believe Obama did a bad job, and he would easily win another election.
I would wager that if Obama could run against Trump in 2020, he would win by a landslide.
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The world considers Obama to be an evolved and inspirational leader; the polar opposite of the current occupant of the White House.
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      07-14-2018, 05:42 PM   #139
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A big root of most of your problems is that you give outsized credit or blame to a president for what happens at any given time.

Giving total credit or blame to a president for the economy, law making, crime are part of the political stupidity we see now. This of course occurs on both sides of "the aisle".

We are essentially a law based society, the culmination of years of enlightenment thought (yea basically libtards of their day). Locke, Paine, Hobbs, and many many more.

Like it or not, law based societies are beurocracy based societies. The president has great effects on some parts of the society but of course his real powers are primarily the power of the bully pulpit and the power to wage war. The later has been eroded massively by the congress.

So we should be smart and know the extent of his powers. We should encourage a president when they do a good job in changing our course via the bully pulpit, but at the same time cannot be blind to the real source of our problems. Blaming the president or the former president for our problems is usually a deflection. Not always, but usually.

At the same time we have to be smart enough to give credit to the people / groups who deserve credit for good outcomes, not just whoever happens to be president at that time.

For example, JFK as president got a lot of credit for expansion of our space program and NASA. But we also hailed heros such as Aldrin, Armstrong, Glenn. We also hailed all engineer and space engineers. The old phrase "it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out" comes from this time. Society was smart and gave out credit to our political leaders, truly brave astronauts and test pilots (chuck yeager) and the entire field of space engineering.

They were all recognized as the real heros and pinnacles of bravery, knowledge, etc...

In today's paradigm they would only be complimented if they showed respect to the president, accomplishments be damned. Th society of today and just 50 years ago is very different. Now you will only get credit for remarkable achievement if you are of the right political party or mindset.

This of course all relates back to the idea that somehow the president is the source of all that is good or all that is bad. An extreme form of childish ego.

Now in specific regards to the places where a president can have a very dramatic effect there needs to be both a high level of scrutiny and deference. But unfortunaly most of what I see these days is stupid cheerleading. Presidents routinely take or are given credit for things that were the accomplishment of others. Similarly thy will blame others for things not in their power. That is what most people call partisanism.

Be smart and separate partisanism from facts. There is almost none of that in the current climate and most people are of low IQ so they feed into it.

Think for yourself and look at facts. Ignore what your "gut" feeling on the matter is, more then likely you are one of the stupid people on this planet and your gut is wrong. (Sorry just statistical facts). Try to use your brain to rise above.

Don't forget there was a time when people blamed or gave credit to their leaders when it rained or there was a drought. When I see people doing the same in regards to the economy I can only shake my head.
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I do. He's actually doing what he said he was going to do which, is rare for a President. People hate how outspoken he is but at the end of the day, he's doing a great job.
Exactly!
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I do. He's actually doing what he said he was going to do which, is rare for a President. People hate how outspoken he is but at the end of the day, he's doing a great job.
Exactly!
When did he say he was going to give the Russians everything they wanted?

I must've missed that
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When did he say he was going to give the Russians everything they wanted?

I must've missed that
You're fake news!

Trump hasn't given Russia everything they wanted!
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When did he say he was going to give the Russians everything they wanted?

I must've missed that
You're fake news!

Trump hasn't given Russia everything they wanted!
What is he holding out on?
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What is he holding out on?
It's give and take, we might stay out of their traditional area of influence, Baltic states, Ukraine and they'll help us with Syria, Iran, NK!
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What is he holding out on?
It's give and take, we might stay out of their traditional area of influence, Baltic states, Ukraine and they'll help us with Syria, Iran, NK!
So you think Russia has a right to dictate policy to the Baltic states?
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So you think Russia has a right to dictate policy to the Baltic states?
Of course not, we're not going to start ww3 with China over NK, Hong Kong... either.
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By far Trump is doin a better job than the Socialist Kenyan!
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