Remanufactured N51 Engine

[jclaib7]

I decided to start a new thread on this. As many of you know from my other thread, BMW neglected to put oil back in my car and the engine is dead. They have agree to replace it. Below is the info they sent me on the replacement engine today which is on the way from Germany.

[SIZE="2"]Part Number: 11 00 0 445 515 Description: Exchange engine Product Class: 35 Coded Part (Y/N): N

This is indeed a re-manufactured engine and not a new engine.

Realoem.com short engine link: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref....ur=&series=E82

Should I be concerned about this? Should I be demanding a NEW engine, assuming that they exist, which they might not?

What does re-manufactured actual mean? I get the gist but WHO does the work on the engine and is it delivered in pristine "like new" condition. Is the work done by BMW or subbed out?

The engine I had previously was immaculate so I would expect this one to look pristine and new as well.

I'd love to have more info on this engine i'm getting.

[JimD]

The only significant information I see on the link is a list price over $10K. That is a lot for a remanufactured engine. For that price, it should be gone through thoroughly. I would want a more complete description of what was replaced and what processes were performed. The pictures show a complete motor. In my experience, however, a short block does not include the head. Not clear to me if you are getting a remanufactured short block with a new head or the BMW description of a short engine includes the head.

[m_thompson]

Theoretically a remanufactured engine will have any part that did not meet BMW's new engine specifications replaced.

I think that you have an opportunity to twist the dealer's arm a little. You could insist on a new, not remanufactued engine, P/N 11 00 0 445 514. It is very unlikely they will agree, but maybe you could settle for an extended warranty instead.

[jclaib7]

Originally Posted by JimD

The only significant information I see on the link is a list price over $10K. That is a lot for a remanufactured engine. For that price, it should be gone through thoroughly. I would want a more complete description of what was replaced and what processes were performed. The pictures show a complete motor. In my experience, however, a short block does not include the head. Not clear to me if you are getting a remanufactured short block with a new head or the BMW description of a short engine includes the head.

The sales manager said he ordered a "long block" engine which I believe is everything except the exhaust manifold, alternator, power steering pump etc...

I have no way of verifying that though.

[Deutsche-Broke]

I'm glad they are stepping up for you, but that's quite the gray area..

I've bought a few "long blocks", although none of them from BMW and it's a crap shoot on exactly how it's been put together, (and by who..)

If it was my phone call, I would be concerned and get a complete and no questions asked warranty on it and not budge until you get it in writing...

But that's just me and my slightly increasing mistrust of the dealership model here in the US..

[angler]

I think its simple. They ruined your engine and you should insist on a new engine. Get them to verify the engine they are giving you. If they don't want to do it you just might have to take it a step further.

[Silenus]

An engine remanufactured by BMW in Germany is going to be as good as new.

[RoundelM3]

I tend to agree - I'd want a new engine for a 2013 car! Anything that new deserves a brand-new long block, not a "remanufactured" block and head, crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshafts, etc. It would be difficult to know which parts were new and which had been machined (remanufactured). Essentially, they are performing a repair instead of a replacement, since they could also have "remanufactured" your engine if time permitted. I also agree the price is way too high for a remanufactured long block; that price sounds more like a new component.

That said, a "long block" does indeed include the heads, but none of the "bolt-ons". I had a similar incident with a VW Turbo Beetle in 2001 (rod bearing went out), and a new long block was swapped into the car. All of the manifolds, alternator, PS pump, etc. were moved over to the new block and head, as there was no danger of damage from metal shavings to those external components.

I can't say for sure, but most businesses have insurance for things like this, so it could be that the dealer's insuror only wants to pay for remanufactured components, in spite of the price quoted. The dealership should insure that you get a new long block.

[mike@x-ph.com]

A re-manufactured engine from Germany will be as good as new BUT they have ruined your engine and they owe you a NEW one.
Same with phones, if you break your phone company will give you a refurbished one , but if they broke your phone they will replace it with a new one.

[MotoWPK]

I expect an OEM's remanufactured engine is almost as good as new. Wear parts should certainly have been renewed or replaced to new specifications.

It's not a clear issue. The damaged engine was certainly not new, that said, given that the OP's 128i is a '13, replacing the damaged engine with a new one is appropriate (that's what I'd demand if this had occurred on my '13 128i).

[Horigan]

There is no functional difference between a new engine and an OEM remanufactured engine. All the wear interfaces are new, which is better than your engine when the issue happened. I would accept their good faith response and move on. If you really want to squeeze them for something, ask for a free 1200 mile oil change.

[jclaib7]

My new engine came in today so I headed over to the dealer to inspect and take some pictures. I was good to see my car albeit on a lift.

Notice in one of the pictures that a new oil pump came bolted to the motor. The techs seemed surprised by this but it sounds good to me.

[Silenus]

That's a water pump. Good deal!