More Details on the BMW M1 Design (including wheel teaser picture)

BrokenVert · 02-07-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by larryn

I'd agree that there's not even a remote chance. The 1er is a lower production car, with the convertible variant selling a low percentage. The M1 will be smaller yet, and the convertible would be a miniscule %.

Also, since the cabrio gets different parts than the regular 1 series, that means the $$ they are spending on development of the M1 coupe would be doubled by also needing ragtop parts too... I cannot see it for a single model year. They'd be losing their shirts on that car.

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

I think Larry is right on with this. If the 'Vert shared the same bodywork as the coupe I'd expect they would do it, but I can't see the cost being justified to create additional tooling and testing for a car that would sell in extremely low volumes.

I agree. Unfortunatly the Coupe (in 135i applications) outsells the vert by more than 40%. However, I remember hearing either Scott or South saying that there would be a vert version, as the 1er is the last ragtop in the BMW fleet and they want to keep the customers who prefer to not have a tin roof.

southlight · 02-07-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

I agree. Unfortunatly the Coupe (in 135i applications) outsells the vert by more than 40%. However, I remember hearing either Scott or South saying that there would be a vert version, as the 1er is the last ragtop in the BMW fleet and they want to keep the customers who prefer to not have a tin roof.

Yes, Scott said so: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...96#post6479996

Best regards,
south

Marioalex24 · 02-07-2010, 11:22 AM

Man I am so waiting for this new m1 to come out. I always loved the m3, but it seems every generation they get a lil larger and the 1 series is curtain similar size to my curtain e46 M that I have, which is a perfect size to me. Smaller size, less weight means better performance.

BMW269 · 02-07-2010, 11:29 AM

This M1 will surely be a beast, but remeber the next M1 comes with I4 Twin-Power-Twin-Turbo and 350 hp and no more I6. It should be even lighter. But imagin the next Z2 M Coupé..........

trahsub · 02-07-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rockrboy

well I hope they at least give us the option of a sunroof :-)

Ugh. Deleting a carbon fiber roof should be an arrestable offense.

cap_freez · 02-07-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by trahsub

Ugh. Deleting a carbon fiber roof should be an arrestable offense.

well, I certainly won't track the car as much as I will enjoy it on warm summer days with the roof opened... it's a question of priorities.

PrimoM3 · 02-07-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rockrboy

well, I certainly won't track the car as much as I will enjoy it on warm summer days with the roof opened... it's a question of priorities.

Then an ///M car may not be for you.

cap_freez · 02-07-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Primo135

Then an ///M car may not be for you.

Because M cars are only for people who go to the track... Right

BrokenVert · 02-07-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Primo135

Then an ///M car may not be for you.

Harsh judgement dont you think? Are you the same type of guy that says that vert owners cant be true enthusiats?

The Modern M car is more a GT car than a sports car, so why wouldnt an M car be for him?

PrimoM3 · 02-07-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Harsh judgement dont you think? Are you the same type of guy that says that vert owners cant be true enthusiats?

The Modern M car is more a GT car than a sports car, so why wouldnt an M car be for him?

No, I don't think saying an ///M car may not be for someone who prefers added weight, reduced head room, less structural integrity, higher center of gravity is harsh. I have a sunroof in my 135 and I enjoy it. I respect people's preferences and don't think you have to track your car if it's an ///M, but why get the motorsport version if that is the case.

Just sharing my opinion.

cap_freez · 02-07-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Primo135

No, I don't think saying an ///M car may not be for someone who prefers added weight, reduced head room, less structural integrity, higher center of gravity is harsh. I have a sunroof in my 135 and I enjoy it. I respect people's preferences and don't think you have to track your car if it's an ///M, but why get the motorsport version if that is the case.

Just sharing my opinion.

other reasons to get an M... hum... let me see

- more power
- better brakes
- better suspension
- better chassis
- better transmission
- better look

Want me to go on?

BMW269 · 02-07-2010, 04:49 PM

Prestige

Imola.ZHP · 02-07-2010, 07:56 PM

I would have to be arrested then, I would choose a moonroof over a CF roof...

I don't, personally, like verts, but a car w/o a moonroof/sunroof just seems so closed in.

fastauto · 02-07-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

Yup

I have bought many BMW's from them.

they took a deposit and everything? my local dealer is telling me that they do not have a list yet and they can not take orders. wtf!

ChrisK · 02-07-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fastauto

they took a deposit and everything? my local dealer is telling me that they do not have a list yet and they can not take orders. wtf!

I have ordered enough cars from my SA that I don't need to put down a deposit.

Numb3rs · 02-07-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Harsh judgement dont you think? Are you the same type of guy that says that vert owners cant be true enthusiats?

The Modern M car is more a GT car than a sports car, so why wouldnt an M car be for him?

How many brokenvert's do you see on Speed channel..?

Rag tops are not the same... ever!

amdmaxx · 02-07-2010, 09:58 PM

agrees. It's all about strength and loss of weight up top.

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Originally Posted by trahsub

Ugh. Deleting a carbon fiber roof should be an arrestable offense.

BrokenVert · 02-07-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Numb3rs

How many brokenvert's do you see on Speed channel..?

Rag tops are not the same... ever!

Do you even read posts? You are quick to insult, yet you never really make a decent counter point.

I was talking about the driver, not the car, its fairly obvious.

adc · 02-07-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Imola.ZHP

I don't, personally, like verts, but a car w/o a moonroof/sunroof just seems so closed in.

Love mine - black headliner, black trim, no hole in the roof.

My ideal thrill car would be a mad, bad Caterham - no half measures, either a closed tin or no roof at all.

Jaguar66 · 02-08-2010, 03:27 AM

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oasis3582 · 02-08-2010, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Numb3rs

How many brokenvert's do you see on Speed channel..?

Rag tops are not the same... ever!

Generally I would say you are right, but there are plenty of enthusiasts that drive the MX-5 Miata. Hell, it has its own SCCA league.

adc · 02-08-2010, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RobMason

My E30M3 had a sunroof, and IIRC, they all had them. I think the demand for them in the US is such that they may have them, unless the carbon fiber roof is standard/mandatory (which is rumored).

Yeah well, there is no steady rule. Up until about the E46 generation of cars I think, it was either as $1000 option or at least there was a sunroof delete option (with a $1000 credit).

Then they became mandatory, except for the E92 M3 (CF roof standard) and E90 M3 (my lucky stars) where it probably had something to do with providing a consolation proze for not having the CF roof.

And now there are rumors that BMWNA is considering a sunroof delete option again for the 335is (because it's supposed to be sporty).

It'd be nice to have the option - there is no greater waste of money and weight for those who don't want them.

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