M1 weight update today?

NoMetalAlchemist · 05-08-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sparoz

To match M3's power to weight ratio, it will need to have a hp of 370-380. Scott has always only mentioned that the numbers cannot be higher than the M3. To me that means, the absolute power (not power to weight), and 0-100 times. Besides he also stated M3 would also receives an upgrade which to me it seems that the power would be higher. The original number rumoured which was deemed to be not powerful enough from a board member was 350hp - so I think it would be higher than that. It comes back to the expected max torque of 450nm which is already in the uprated N54. If it maintains the same torque and revs up higher, it should have numbers of 370+.

Hopefully, we will find out sooner to see what will have installed for us.

Scott said we were looking at around 375 because a board member deemed 350 too little. 3300 isn't too bad considering the car is about the same size as my e46. Could be better, but again, it is an ///M car. Added LSD, bigger tires, usually a bigger engine, etc. . . At least it hasn't gone up.

ChrisK · 05-08-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMetalAlchemist

Scott said we were looking at around 375 because a board member deemed 350 too little. 3300 isn't too bad considering the car is about the same size as my e46. Could be better, but again, it is an ///M car. Added LSD, bigger tires, usually a bigger engine, etc. . . At least it hasn't gone up.

+1

I completely agree. If the weight is a tad less than the stock 135i with all of the M items, this is great news.

NoMetalAlchemist · 05-08-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

+1

I completely agree. If the weight is a tad less than the stock 135i with all of the M items, this is great news.

Especially considering all the extras that people want that BMW might leave off for weight saving to keep it right with a 135i

///M///M Good · 05-08-2010, 10:21 PM

I don't really understand why anyone was expecting a big weight drop anyway. Has any standard ///M car (as in not a special sub-model like the CSL) been a lightweight version of the car it sprouted from? 100 lbs. sound logical - mostly the sunroof delete and switch to carbon fiber roof.

NoMetalAlchemist · 05-08-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M///M Good

I don't really understand why anyone was expecting a big weight drop anyway. Has any standard ///M car (as in not a special sub-model like the CSL) been a lightweight version of the car it sprouted from? 100 lbs. sound logical - mostly the sunroof delete and switch to carbon fiber roof.

I want a sunroof lol. #2 thing on my list of options. #1 is a steptronic or DCT 7-speed

I kinda wish they made CF roofs with a sunroof

sparoz · 05-09-2010, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ss134

No chance! That would make this car faster in a straight line than the M3 which will never happen. This car will not be a drag racer but in true M spirit will handle, stop and feel fantastic. The E9X M3 is not massively faster than a 335 (in a straight line) but they are worlds apart in every other performance increment - i would expect the new M1 to have maximum 350-360 hp and be the slowest M car in a drag race - but will definately hold its own on the track and in driving pleasure - if all you are interested in is Bhp you are missing the point of this car and a modded 135i would do that job very well, in the same way that many tuned 335s are faster than the M3 in a straight line - but they are not and will never be M cars.

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Originally Posted by NoMetalAlchemist

I want a sunroof lol. #2 thing on my list of options. #1 is a steptronic or DCT 7-speed

I kinda wish they made CF roofs with a sunroof

That would defeat the purpose of the CF by adding all that weight up the top....?

BMW269 · 05-09-2010, 06:14 AM

It is true. Not even one BMW M car is lighter than a BMW AG car. BMW M cars are the heaviest of the line up. The only lighter one are the M3 CSL and M3 GTS. I am for a light car, but most of you not, because you want radio, navi, A/C, electric heated seats, cup holders.....

BMW 335i (E92): 1600 kg (EU)
BMW M3 (E92): 1655 kg (EU)
BMW 650i (E63): 1725 kg (EU)
BMW M6 (E63): 1785 kg (EU)
BMW X6 xDrive50i (E71): 2265 kg (EU)
BMW X6 M (E71): 2380 kg (EU)
BMW 135i: 1560 kg (EU)
BMW M1: 1600 kg (EU)??? 55 kg less than M3 and 40 kg more than 135i compared to M3 55 kg more than 335i?

If M1 gets lighter than 135i it is the best thing that could ever happen.

pDz · 05-09-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Levi

It is true. Not even one BMW M car is lighter than a BMW AG car. BMW M cars are the heaviest of the line up. The only lighter one are the M3 CSL and M3 GTS. I am for a light car, but most of you not, because you want radio, navi, A/C, electric heated seats, cup holders.....

BMW 335i (E92): 1600 kg (EU)
BMW M3 (E92): 1655 kg (EU)
BMW 650i (E63): 1725 kg (EU)
BMW M6 (E63): 1785 kg (EU)
BMW X6 xDrive50i (E71): 2265 kg (EU)
BMW X6 M (E71): 2380 kg (EU)
BMW 135i: 1560 kg (EU)
BMW M1: 1600 kg (EU)??? 55 kg less than M3 and 40 kg more than 135i compared to M3 55 kg more than 335i?

If M1 gets lighter than 135i it is the best thing that could ever happen.

but won't happen, unfortunately.

///Mangler · 05-09-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lubo

^^ Because BMW and V6 next to each other is a blasphemy

Like ///M and turbo next to each other?

T

///Mangler · 05-09-2010, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemer323

Harmonics of an inline 6 are far superior to a V6. BMW does proper engines, not cheap fixes.

Well, with the low revs that the new turbo engine is going to exhibit, would it matter?

T

The Automotive Enthusiast · 05-09-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMetalAlchemist

Scott said we were looking at around 375 because a board member deemed 350 too little. 3300 isn't too bad considering the car is about the same size as my e46. Could be better, but again, it is an ///M car. Added LSD, bigger tires, usually a bigger engine, etc. . . At least it hasn't gone up.

I am thinking 36-365 hp.

NoMetalAlchemist · 05-09-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sparoz

That would defeat the purpose of the CF by adding all that weight up the top....?

yes, but it looks sweet with the CF and it would be sweet with a sunroof. I get so many compliments when my sunroofs up. I could only imagine what that would do with a $55k sports car. Alpine White or Sedona red metallic with a CF roof with the sunroof up.

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Originally Posted by Dontyouwishyouwereme

I am thinking 36-365 hp.

I think thats what the official will be, but BMW underrates their engines. Im thinking about 375-385 off a dyno.

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///M///M Good Private First Class 9 Rep 109 Posts Drives: people nuts Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Jacksonville, FL iTrader: (0)	I don't really understand why anyone was expecting a big weight drop anyway. Has any standard ///M car (as in not a special sub-model like the CSL) been a lightweight version of the car it sprouted from? 100 lbs. sound logical - mostly the sunroof delete and switch to carbon fiber roof.
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BMW269 Brigadier General 435 Rep 3,888 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	It is true. Not even one BMW M car is lighter than a BMW AG car. BMW M cars are the heaviest of the line up. The only lighter one are the M3 CSL and M3 GTS. I am for a light car, but most of you not, because you want radio, navi, A/C, electric heated seats, cup holders..... BMW 335i (E92): 1600 kg (EU) BMW M3 (E92): 1655 kg (EU) BMW 650i (E63): 1725 kg (EU) BMW M6 (E63): 1785 kg (EU) BMW X6 xDrive50i (E71): 2265 kg (EU) BMW X6 M (E71): 2380 kg (EU) BMW 135i: 1560 kg (EU) BMW M1: 1600 kg (EU)??? 55 kg less than M3 and 40 kg more than 135i compared to M3 55 kg more than 335i? If M1 gets lighter than 135i it is the best thing that could ever happen. Last edited by BMW269; 05-09-2010 at 06:25 AM..
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