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      05-10-2012, 06:52 AM   #1
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Warning-scammer FUMUS

Do not do business with this person.

He purchased an injen dual cone intake, m tech shift knob, breyton gts-r rims with tires.

Injen dual cone was sold for 225$

Shift knob-20$

-4 breyton gts-r rims with dunlop direzzas for the rear and hankook ventus v12s for the front-700$

Upon purchase it was agreed and spoken for that one rim was damaged with a crack and a dent,

Ive never seen this cheap of a person in my life, this guy got a 2500$ set of rims and tires for 700$ and he thinks he can get refunded a 150$ for me to fix the rims now.

Paypal investigated per his request and gave ME back the money. Upon this i just requested the product back with a full refund because i do not want to deal with this person anymore.

They are trying to steal money from people!!!!

Be careful do not do business with this person, paypal won me the claim but he now tried to reverse his credit card payment to me and paypal is once again stepping in.

This low-life is trying to get his money back and keep the product.

I requested a full refund for both ends and he wont do it because he is just trying to steal money from people.

His name is Ryan, he does not deserve to do business with anyone!!!!! Do not deal with
This person he is a scam artist. He is a cheapskate and will do anything he can to get a full set of rims and tires for 500$ !!!!! He is insane and i dont want to deal with him anymore all i do is want my product back but he turned down my request to paypal to ship it back.



Never deal with this person FUMUS!!!!!


You are all warned, if you want to deal with a loser be my guest.

After he picked up the rims he claimed another rim was damaged.
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      05-10-2012, 08:10 AM   #2
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Honestly your post makes me more hesitant to do business with you. Your post suggests he agreed to buy, then you told him about the damage, and he wants money off to repair the damage. Seems fair to me. Also I wouldn't send something back to someone without getting the refund FIRST.
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      05-10-2012, 08:18 AM   #3
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Nah, It sounds like he knew about the damaged rim when he bought it. Either way, I would just tell each other to f-off and part as mortal enemies. Maybe settle this with a duel? Pistols at dawn? Although, I think whoever initiates the duel doesn't get to pick the weapon, so maybe if you're good with a particular weapon you can instigate him into initiating the duel?
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      05-10-2012, 11:27 AM   #4
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Nah, It sounds like he knew about the damaged rim when he bought it. Either way, I would just tell each other to f-off and part as mortal enemies. Maybe settle this with a duel? Pistols at dawn? Although, I think whoever initiates the duel doesn't get to pick the weapon, so maybe if you're good with a particular weapon you can instigate him into initiating the duel?


Well if you got your money back you should be fine. Sounds like Paypal did the right thing and took error in your favor. He won't be able to keep the rims and money. I would jus leave him with the rims and take the refund PayPal gave you ($920?) and let it go.
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      05-10-2012, 12:22 PM   #5
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Paypal sucks if you're a seller. They own your balls. A buyer can literally buy something new, use it (use it up), break it, and return it will full refund from paypal. Great system.
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Nah, It sounds like he knew about the damaged rim when he bought it. Either way, I would just tell each other to f-off and part as mortal enemies. Maybe settle this with a duel? Pistols at dawn? Although, I think whoever initiates the duel doesn't get to pick the weapon, so maybe if you're good with a particular weapon you can instigate him into initiating the duel?
Best post I've read all day. Sometimes parting as mortal enemies is the best option.

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Paypal sucks if you're a seller. They own your balls. A buyer can literally buy something new, use it (use it up), break it, and return it will full refund from paypal. Great system.
Abso-fucking-lutely. And they try to get you to use paypal balance or bank account to pay no matter what, so you don't have CC chargeback as recourse in a bad transaction as a buyer. F paypal.
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      05-10-2012, 03:50 PM   #7
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Honestly your post makes me more hesitant to do business with you. Your post suggests he agreed to buy, then you told him about the damage, and he wants money off to repair the damage. Seems fair to me. Also I wouldn't send something back to someone without getting the refund FIRST.
Sorry you misunderstood and i was a little upset when i wrote this. There was absolutely no payment before he knew about the damaged rim pics were included and the price was dropped to 700 and agreed on.
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      05-10-2012, 03:53 PM   #8
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Paypal sucks if you're a seller. They own your balls. A buyer can literally buy something new, use it (use it up), break it, and return it will full refund from paypal. Great system.
Yea tell me about it.

The person tells me that there is another rim damaged so i told him he could return them and he replied they could not be returned.

He moved it to a claim paypal gave me the money back because he has no buyers insurance but at that point i wanted the rims and tires back from the loser so i requested a full refund.

He then denies it and tryes to pull payment from his credit card company.

Hes a joke if i ever saw this guy again id be on the news.
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      05-10-2012, 05:52 PM   #9
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Paypal sucks if you're a seller. They own your balls. A buyer can literally buy something new, use it (use it up), break it, and return it will full refund from paypal. Great system.
+1

I refuse to use paypal
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      05-11-2012, 05:43 AM   #10
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First off, I think that creating these type of threads makes both parties involved look petty...which is why I didn't create one about ///MRider (Matt) over this transaction. I will say though had I created such a thread I probably would have posted it in the right place (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=265).

I have had no issues with any of the other members that I have bought goods from in this forum (KcN55, 3RotorRX7, DTMrack.com, sean_oakley927). I know for a fact however that this isn't ///MRider's first dispute with a poster or even first experience with paypal's buyer resolution. 1&done purchased tires from ///MRider that he never shipped and through the paypal resolution center was forced to refund the money.

This transaction came about from a classfied ad posting here on 1addicts.com. ///MRider(Matt) was offering two tires for $350. (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646348). After I contacted Matt about the tires and he indicated via Private Message and Text Message that he had 4 wheels for sale as well as another two tires. He told me that he had inspected the wheels and stated that one was broken. He offered the whole set of 4 tires and 4 wheels (1 broken) for $700. I drove 2.5hrs and picked the wheels and tires up from Matt in NJ on Saturday April 21st and upon initial inspection they appeared "OK".

After I got home that day and cleaned all the dirt and soot off of the wheels I realized that an additional wheel was cracked. I sent a text message to Matt and asked for some kind of a refund to compensate me for the cracked wheel, he stated that even with two cracked wheels I still had received a good deal. I had the second cracked wheel Matt sold me inspected by a wheel repair specialist at AWRS and he told me it would cost $150 to fix it but that it was so badly damaged he couldn't vouch for the safety of the wheel and recommended I buy a brand new one.

Matt's resolution to my problem was that I should pay to ship/drive the entire lot of wheels and tires back to him 2.5hrs. The cost of driving or shipping would have negated any sort of benefit to me(as it was I had driven 2.5hrs to pick them up), quite the opposite it would have put me at a loss of about $100+. So, at that point I opened a paypal dispute and went about trying to buy another two wheels for my car.

Last week I went to go get the tires/wheels mounted, it turned out that one of the tires that Matt sold me had bubble(side wall damage) and was unsafe to drive on. I thought it was curious that Matt had sold me the two front wheels deflated, while the two back ones were fully inflated and ready to go. Now I know why, on top of the additional crack rim he sold me, he also sold me a broken tire.


BUYER BEWARE OF ///MRider.

My intention was never scam to anyone. I made a deal which was for 3 wheels and 4 tires at price of $700. What I actually purchased was 2 wheels and 3 tires. Matt's response to all of this was that I had received "such a good deal" and when he purchased all of this stuff way back when it was worth several grand. He didn't deliver to me, what I paid for. I gave him the amount we agreed upon...I should have received the goods we agreed upon.

Initially I just asked him for $100 back to compensate me which, I thought this was more than fair...he refused to admit any wrong or offer any type of compromise(besides me spending additional time/money returning them to him in NJ) so now I am waiting to see what Paypal/Credit Card company will do for me. I'm glad I went through paypal...had I paid cash I would be out the entire $700.

Attached are pictures of the two cracked wheels Matt sold me taken the day I got them and a picture of the damaged tire taken last week.
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      05-11-2012, 07:17 AM   #11
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and the plot thickens......
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      05-11-2012, 08:03 AM   #12
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mortal enemies...
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      05-11-2012, 08:10 AM   #13
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man I think the take away here is don't buy breytons because they are weak as shit
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      05-11-2012, 08:26 AM   #14
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I'm not trying to be anyone's mortal enemy, I don't really care. For what it's worth I thought Matt was a nice kid, at 20 years old I was bit naive and impetuous too; I don't blame him. I'm not charging back the full amount or trying to get anything for free. I am just charging back what it cost me to replace the cracked rim I was sold and the tire with the bubble in it, not the full amount.

+1 to IancoleTX...after I made this purchase I did a ton of reading and it seems Breytons are very prone to cracking. I don't think I would buy them again.
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      05-11-2012, 08:40 AM   #15
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      05-11-2012, 10:45 AM   #16
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Good to see both sides. I think with things like this it is essential to thoroughly check the items listed. Granted that most people reveal full details of items, those cracks are pretty serious and should have been disclosed prior or at the sale of the wheels...

Hope everything gets resolved. Good luck!
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You got to look them over before buying them?

I think it's hard to go back and re-negotiate the price then. After all you are buying used parts and had the opportunity to look at them and come to agreement on price. After that, Caveat emptor
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      05-11-2012, 11:59 AM   #18
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I guess the main lesson here is, no matter WHO you buy from, or how reputable or trustworthy they are, ALWAYS check your merchandise before buying. I feel your pain Fumus. I also shake my head in disbelief at MRider. Kind of underhanded. Yea, legally you did nothing wrong, but thats messed up.
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You got to look them over before buying them?

I think it's hard to go back and re-negotiate the price then. After all you are buying used parts and had the opportunity to look at them and come to agreement on price. After that, Caveat emptor
I agree in principle but these wheels were so covered in soot and dirt it was really hard to see the cracks unless you knew they were there. I had to clean the wheels in order for the cracks to become visible.

The front tires weren't inflated so it was literally impossible to know there was sidewall damage.

It's not about renegotiating a price it's about being deceived. When Matt made it clear to me that he had no intention of compromising with me, then I stopped talking to him and started talking to my credit card company.

Had I paid cash, there would be nothing I could do. However, credit card offers buyer protection for these such matters. I'm being pretty reasonable I think, with all the time and effort I wasted on this issue...I have it in my right mind to dispute the entire transaction but instead I'm only charging back the $350 worth of goods I did not receive.
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to be perfectly honest i wouldnt want to do business with you either fumus
you came out and picked up the stuff, it was your responsiblity to check over the goods and negotiate any additional discounts you thought were warranted for concealed or undisclosed to you, you decided to take the stuff home and pick them apart at a later time, this isnt nordstrom, you gotta inspect the stuff and whatever happens next is on your end.
would i have given you 100$ back to make you go away personally? probably, but in no way shape or form the seller is obligated to do that, so matt can do really whtever he wants.
also dont bring the 2.5 hour drive out to pickup the stuff, it was your decision to do it, there's no crying about that after the fact.
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to be perfectly honest i wouldnt want to do business with you either fumus
you came out and picked up the stuff, it was your responsiblity to check over the goods and negotiate any additional discounts you thought were warranted for concealed or undisclosed to you, you decided to take the stuff home and pick them apart at a later time, this isnt nordstrom, you gotta inspect the stuff and whatever happens next is on your end.
would i have given you 100$ back to make you go away personally? probably, but in no way shape or form the seller is obligated to do that, so matt can do really whtever he wants.
also dont bring the 2.5 hour drive out to pickup the stuff, it was your decision to do it, there's no crying about that after the fact.
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Ok - that's your choice not to do business with me. As I said I have had only pleasant transactions here on the forum, this is the only one that went poorly. It's my right as a buyer to dispute transactions when I feel the seller has not delivered what they promised. It wasn't as if I went home and discovered the wheels were the wrong size or they had some cosmetic defects. The cracked wheels and the damaged tire rendered them useless.

I'm also glad to see that you would have been reasonable in a situation when you sold a buyer damaged goods.

Well, 2.5 hours is more about what it would have taken to return the goods. In essence it was that or ship it back. What would be the benefit to me? Shipping them back at my expense was a lose/lose situation. I'm not whining about anything, I didn't start a thread. I'm just telling my side.

In any case, I don't need to win in the court of public opinion, I don't care if posters here think I'm wrong, I already won the paypal battle...I'm getting my money back. If you don't want to deal with stuff like this, don't sell people damaged goods and don't mislead buyers. Simple as that.
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I can see both sides of the story. But honestly if you're selling something it is YOUR responsibility to check over it and state any defects that you find. If you don't and end up selling the item, don't blame someone else if it comes to bite you in the ass. Unless you specifically state that it will be sold as is with no refunds.
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