1 Series M or 11 Mustang GT??

[Sdracing]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

You guys are going to have to excuse me. I'm going to (spiritedly) drive my 135i to a nice little restaurant on the ocean where I'm going to enjoy some caviar and fresh catch while sipping some tea with my pinky sticking out.

See ya!

[bradleyland]

Oh, you guys thought I was kidding? I totally held my pinky out too. Why they hell do you think I bought a BMW?

[bradleyland]

Maybe I haven't properly expressed how I feel. This should clarify matters.




Anyone who thinks they know better how I feel can feel free to use the following tool (pun intended):

http://upload.bradlanders.com/pointandlaugh/

[ErvGotti]

Originally Posted by BoostedTerp

Quoting the worst published time for the new GT and using it as a benchmark is a flawed argument. That is a 12 second car, with traps over 110 mph. Really not that close of a race stock to stock.

Unlike BMW ford usually brings ringer cars for testing, BMW quote's 5.2 for their 0-60 when time and time again it consistently rips 4.7. Hell they've clocked 13.0 for the M3. Yes it shouldn't be a benchmark but these guys do it for a living. I can guarantee that 70-80 percent of the new 5.0 drivers wont be able to rip under 13's.

I'm not saying a 135i will beat a 5.0 stock for stock, but it wont be a blow out and yes after 100mph the higher HP of the 5.0 will allow it to pull away.

Again like I said the specs of the 1M aren't out yet and that's what the OP wanted to know. So to those that say that the 5.0 will blow the 1M out the water lets save our judgement till then.

To the OP my argument is that in a year the 1M will definitely stand out more than the 5.0.

[trahsub]

Originally Posted by AZ135

Mustang Boss 302... Game Over!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-mustang-boss-302.html

If the regular GT runs around tracks about the same as an M3, I can't imagine what the Boss would do.

Yup. At the price point Ford will offer this, the argument is over. BMW is not dumb, and they will continue to focus on their bread and butter consumers who want nicely appointed, quiet cars with lots of goodies.

For those of us that want track warriors, I feel like Ford has just raised the bar in 2011 in a way only the STI and EVO have done in the last decade - that is, stuffing mucho in a package for sub $40 thousand dollars.

BMW should have sped up M1 production like Chevy did for the Silverado (to beat Toyota's release of the Tundra), because this Boss kinda makes the M1s pending release quite unexciting.

[trahsub]

Originally Posted by ErvGotti

Unlike BMW ford usually brings ringer cars for testing, BMW quote's 5.2 for their 0-60 when time and time again it consistently rips 4.7. Hell they've clocked 13.0 for the M3. Yes it shouldn't be a benchmark but these guys do it for a living. I can guarantee that 70-80 percent of the new 5.0 drivers wont be able to rip under 13's.

I'm not saying a 135i will beat a 5.0 stock for stock, but it wont be a blow out and yes after 100mph the higher HP of the 5.0 will allow it to pull away.

Again like I said the specs of the 1M aren't out yet and that's what the OP wanted to know. So to those that say that the 5.0 will blow the 1M out the water lets save our judgement till then.

To the OP my argument is that in a year the 1M will definitely stand out more than the 5.0.

Stand out as a rip off? As a current M3 owner, I just want BMW to offer an M car stripper, there is a market for it, but they don't choose to recognize it. I'm sure the M1 will handle like a monster, but paying $50K plus for what it's expected to offer is silly with stuff like this (Boss) coming down the pipe line.

[Spartikus]

OMFG!!

Just read about the Boss 302!! Why is Ford claiming to be faster than the M3 at Laguna Seca? The CTS-V, RS5, C63, etc cant touch an M car on most tracks. Do want.

Funny how we were just talking about the 5.0liter motor lasting. Ford must have great faith. Its essentially the same motor turned up a notch. 440hp? I believe its a little underrated as many stock 5.0's have dynoed near 400 at the wheels.

[Sdracing]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Maybe I haven't properly expressed how I feel. This should clarify matters.

Anyone who thinks they know better how I feel can feel free to use the following tool (pun intended):

http://upload.bradlanders.com/pointandlaugh/

Thanks, you just zapped the productivity right out of my day........

BTW you didn't happen to notice if Roundel was your waiter? (Referring to an early post re saving tip money (which was quite funny).

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Sdracing

Thanks, you just zapped the productivity right out of my day........

BTW you didn't happen to notice if Roundel was your waiter? (Referring to an early post re saving tip money (which was quite funny).

He was at one point, but I had to let him go. He looked me directly in the eye, and as everyone knows, the help should never look their superior directly in the eye. Especially while they're enjoying some chilled Asti.

Ruined my whole afternoon.

[mixxer]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/13/f...back-for-2012/

[Spartikus]

Originally Posted by mixxer

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/13/f...back-for-2012/

Can you imagine the 2012 1M vs 2012 BOSS 302. We've all battled the 1M vs GT so damn hard in this thread too. The specs shows a car that was thoroughly thought out.

Ford says, “quickest, best-handling straight-production Mustang ever offered by Ford.”

[ErvGotti]

Originally Posted by trahsub

Stand out as a rip off? As a current M3 owner, I just want BMW to offer an M car stripper, there is a market for it, but they don't choose to recognize it. I'm sure the M1 will handle like a monster, but paying $50K plus for what it's expected to offer is silly with stuff like this (Boss) coming down the pipe line.

I can guarantee that the Boss will be in excess of 50k plus. Look at the GT 500 MSRP 48k for the coupe, but do to a dealership and it's 60-70k easy. Not saying BMW doesn't do this MSRP on the M3 is 58k but at a dealsership 65-70k easy.

It's all about preference, and I plan to buy american as my next car. A slightly used C6 ZO6 and I can guarantee that I'll dust the boss and M3, but I'm not gonna come to these forums or mustang forums and brag about it.

The reason I bought my 135 is at the time there wasn't any really running around I could have gotten a 335i, but it's exactly what I wanted a sporty coupe that was a great daily driver. Granted I been hit by the tuning bug and added mods and that's what I didn't want to do. So hopefully when I get my Z06 it'll satisfy my quench for a weekend track and cruise warrior, with my 135 being my daily.

[bradleyland]

The closest I've ever been to a Mustang, and the closest I'd ever care to be, is the time when Spencer, Buffy and I were flying in to Manhattan and some asshole at the landing zone tripped and injured himself, resulting in a menagerie of emergency response vehicles cluttering up the LZ. We had to land in a nearby parking lot where we nearly landed atop several cheap, domestic cars. I'm pretty sure one was a Mustang convertible with the top down. Spenc' took a moment to empty our in-flight trash in to the back seat. Spencer is such a clown like that! Hahahaha!

[Spartikus]

Originally Posted by ErvGotti

I can guarantee that the Boss will be in excess of 50k plus. Look at the GT 500 MSRP 48k for the coupe, but do to a dealership and it's 60-70k easy. Not saying BMW doesn't do this MSRP on the M3 is 58k but at a dealsership 65-70k easy.

It's all about preference, and I plan to buy american as my next car. A slightly used C6 ZO6 and I can guarantee that I'll dust the boss and M3, but I'm not gonna come to these forums or mustang forums and brag about it.

The reason I bought my 135 is at the time there wasn't any really running around I could have gotten a 335i, but it's exactly what I wanted a sporty coupe that was a great daily driver. Granted I been hit by the tuning bug and added mods and that's what I didn't want to do. So hopefully when I get my Z06 it'll satisfy my quench for a weekend track and cruise warrior, with my 135 being my daily.

I bet you the Boss will be closer to 40k than it is to 50k. I can't say why I'm so sure of this.

[amdmaxx]

Ford says 302 is slightly faster than M3, BMW says 1M will not step on M3s toes....
Hm... 302 is cheaper, louder and faster than 1M?

[BMWDAD]

Boss 302 vs 1M vs M3. Lots of interesting articles out today about the 302.

Ford purpose to beat an M3 around (yes around Laguna) from Motor Trend

This resurrection of the storied Boss nomenclature is no mere graphics package marketing ploy. The Mustang team channeled the spirit of that original project to create a true race car for the road, employing a holistic approach that enhanced, upgraded, lightened, and optimized the whole car for the purpose of vanquishing its archrival on race circuits like Laguna Seca. Oh, and the Mustang's rival? Ford is no longer sparring with the Camaro. It's gunning for BMW's M3.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz0wWb2Oj16

Price projection between 37 and 45. Wow is this another car to think about.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by amdmaxx

Ford says 302 is slightly faster than M3, BMW says 1M will not step on M3s toes....
Hm... 302 is cheaper, louder and faster than 1M?

Around the track or in general. The MT M3 does 0-60 in 4.1 secs, faster than the 2011 GT500, now if the Boss 302 beats this, what is the need for the Shelby GT500 with 550+ hp?

And then watch as Ford comes up with a Boss 428, and various other versions. Ford is well known for it's many "editions" for the Mustang.

[JimmyT]

And the American consumer that thinks your going to buy a BOSS 302 for sticker is DREAMING!!! At a minimum, I would expect a 5K markup, and that would be if you married the dealership owner's ugly daughter. The only way to get close to sticker is through collective bargaining from a car buying program, and then the dealer doesn't have to honor the price. Remember 2K4 GTOs going for 10K over sticker, and 2K7 Dodge Charger with Super Bee package going for 25K over sticker. The BOSS performance will be between a MGT w/ track pack and the Shelby 500, cause Shelby will raise holy hell if ANYONE touched his cash cow's performance from the factory. This is my opinion, and wait to see it happen!!!

[ErvGotti]

Originally Posted by JimmyT

And the American consumer that thinks your going to buy a BOSS 302 for sticker is DREAMING!!! At a minimum, I would expect a 5K markup, and that would be if you married the dealership owner's ugly daughter. The only way to get close to sticker is through collective bargaining from a car buying program, and then the dealer doesn't have to honor the price. Remember 2K4 GTOs going for 10K over sticker, and 2K7 Dodge Charger with Super Bee package going for 25K over sticker. The BOSS performance will be between a MGT w/ track pack and the Shelby 500, cause Shelby will raise holy hell if ANYONE touched his cash cow's performance from the factory. This is my opinion, and wait to see it happen!!!

Exactly I still see markups for the GT500 upwards of 15k so I'm saying this boss will easily be 50k. Dont get me wrong it looks mean and performs well, but if I'm going for a race ready street car as that is what Ford's going for, for 50k I'd get a slightly used Z06. It'll dust it track, drag, street.

But again we're off topic. 1M for uniqueness over the 5.0. Perfomance cant be measured for the 1M cause it hasn't been released yet.

[JimmyT]

For conversational purposes, we haven't seen the performance figures for the 1M coupe yet. We don't know final HP/TQ and weight. We don't know time to speed with manual or DCT transmissions. We don't even know what it looks like without camouflage on it. I wonder how many Ford fanbois will start thinking about deep throating a Glock if the 1M coupe betters the performance of their iconic pony car....inquiring minds want to know!!!!

[BMWDAD]

Two boss 302 street version and track version, the track version is limited, I do not see them limiting the street version.

I think this car is very interesting competition for the 135/335/1M/ and fords target the M3.

My warranty is up in a year, and I am looking for the best driver, which is currently the M3.

I am open to drive everything.

[trahsub]

Originally Posted by JimmyT

And the American consumer that thinks your going to buy a BOSS 302 for sticker is DREAMING!!! At a minimum, I would expect a 5K markup, and that would be if you married the dealership owner's ugly daughter.

Initially, yes, but as long as production isn't limited to nnn, the markups have worn off of most every SE stang.