(future) 1M owners in Belgium - post here

[eeghie]

Originally Posted by gs/e60/1m?

Nope, you can rest assure, this one is a keeper.
BTW "IT" received his/hers christmas gift today .......AKRA exhaust and new suspension.

About the new tax law, well since we recently have a new governement they are passing new laws in order to rase higher taxes, and amongst them one on company cars and more speciffic those with the bigger engines.

Looking forward to the review of those new goodies!

[steve79]

@gs/e60

Actually, i' m not settled on this day, but i will do my best! I'm sure about it for 90%

[ruf]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Apart from this forum, there are quite a number of Belgian 1Ms pictured on Autogespot (http://www.autogespot.com/nl/viewcar...M%20Coup%C3%A9). Might feature your 1Ms too someday.

spotted !

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...44&h=SAQHaPh4x

[Grey Dove]

Originally Posted by steve79

@gs/e60

Actually, i' m not settled on this day, but i will do my best! I'm sure about it for 90%

For me it's done, ordered and payed today. Now let's cross our fingers for a dry day that day

[1560]

Originally Posted by gs/e60/1m?

For me it's done, ordered and payed today. Now let's cross our fingers for a dry day that day

here it's done too,
but in a bad way,
this car will leave by september next year,
VAA (tax on company cars) is too expensive to run it as a company car
after my cyclingholidays in the STelvio-area, I'll sell this baby
can't run aeromax+3whlr+1M privately,
and paying full taxes on a 3year-old car: FORGET IT

might sell the A'max but market for such cars is slow and won't improve imho

[Grey Dove]

Originally Posted by 1560

here it's done too,
but in a bad way,
this car will leave by september next year,
VAA (tax on company cars) is too expensive to run it as a company car
after my cyclingholidays in the STelvio-area, I'll sell this baby
can't run aeromax+3whlr+1M privately,
and paying full taxes on a 3year-old car: FORGET IT

might sell the A'max but market for such cars is slow and won't improve imho

Auch! I feel sorry for you... too bad you have to make cutbacks in cars because of some idiotic and in the end counterproductive meassures, mark my words. Well since you're keeping it untill august i'd say... enjoy while it last

[LuuZ]

We're in the wrong country to enjoy great cars guys :-/

[Grey Dove]

Originally Posted by LuuZ

We're in the wrong country to enjoy great cars guys :-/

There... you said it

[1560]

trouble is my main passion is cycling,
so spending XX.XXX,- on cars each year (tax/insurance)
is just too much

A'max is on sale but market is pretty quiet

if it ain't sold in september: 1M goes for a small Prius/CT200H or ???

just need to balance the €€€€ for private toy against extra taxes on company-car

[Grey Dove]

Originally Posted by 1560

trouble is my main passion is cycling,
so spending XX.XXX,- on cars each year (tax/insurance)
is just too much

A'max is on sale but market is pretty quiet

if it ain't sold in september: 1M goes for a small Prius/CT200H or ???

just need to balance the €€€€ for private toy against extra taxes on company-car

Selling the Aeromax he! Just shows how much you like the little M.. imo

[steve79]

I've also ordered and paid today, so there will be 2 1M's at Spa on 1st May 2012!!

I will come with my 1M, and my wife with her Mini Cooper S!!

Until today, there were always dry conditions at Spa, when i was there on a Public day!!

[Artemis]

• Update of the list of 1Ms with Belgian license plates: see http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...&postcount=259
• Update of the list of Belgian 1M forum members: see http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...&postcount=263

[steve79]

My 1M was also sold through a belgian dealer, but it's on luxemburgish plates, same for a 1M in AW!!! I think there are more than the 41 for Belgium! There's also one in my dealer's showroom, but it's already sold, i think!!

[1560]

Originally Posted by gs/e60/1m?

Selling the Aeromax he! Just shows how much you like the little M.. imo

steering on the 1m is so damn good!!!!
engines are both strong from very low rpm's
sound of the aeromax in unreal

where the 1M looses out on the Aeromax,
the 3wheeler will pick up,

for me, best garage
1M+3whlr
compared to
Prius C or CT200h + Aeromax + 3whlr

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 1560

here it's done too, but in a bad way,
this car will leave by september next year,
VAA (tax on company cars) is too expensive to run it as a company car

Sorry to hear about that 1560.

If it may be some sort of consolation: you're certainly not the only one. Very recently also another Belgian 1M enthusiast has put his 1M (lease) up for sale due to the recent company car tax change. He quotes €50K for his Sep 11 VO 1M with 7K on the odometer:
http://nl.autoscout24.be/Details.aspx?id=206144211

Here he explains the difficulty of the choice he had to make (page 19 and following) (Flemish):
http://www.bimmerboard.be/forum/inde...opic=28318.270

The legislation change was published last Friday (Dec 30) (articles 39 and following on pages 81651-81653):
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/mop...30_4.pdf#Page6

Company car cost calculator:
http://www.sdworx.be/secure3/co2calc...t.aspx?lang=nl
http://www.sdworx.be/secure3/co2calc...t.aspx?lang=fr

As far as concerns myself - rebus sic stantibus - I keep my privately owned 1M.

[LuuZ]

Thanks for the links Artemis, I made a quick calculation, and yes, it hurts........

[Pol]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Sorry to hear about that 1560.

If it may be some sort of consolation: you're certainly not the only one. Very recently also another Belgian 1M enthusiast has put his 1M (lease) up for sale due to the recent company car tax change. He quotes €50K for his Sep 11 VO 1M with 7K on the odometer:
http://nl.autoscout24.be/Details.aspx?id=206144211

Here he explains the difficulty of the choice he had to make (page 19 and following) (Flemish):
http://www.bimmerboard.be/forum/inde...opic=28318.270

The legislation change was published last Friday (Dec 30) (articles 39 and following on pages 81651-81653):
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/mop...30_4.pdf#Page6

Company car cost calculator:
http://www.sdworx.be/secure3/co2calc...t.aspx?lang=nl
http://www.sdworx.be/secure3/co2calc...t.aspx?lang=fr

As far as concerns myself - rebus sic stantibus - I keep my privately owned 1M.

A very sad story. Glad I am a private owner too.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 1560

steering on the 1m is so damn good!!!!
engines are both strong from very low rpm's
sound of the aeromax in unreal
where the 1M looses out on the Aeromax,
the 3wheeler will pick up,
for me, best garage
1M+3whlr
compared to
Prius C or CT200h + Aeromax + 3whlr

Take care with the open vehicles, 1560. I guess you heard about the lethal accident with the Ariel Atom 3 in Harelbeke (Flanders) yesterday? According to the first findings - including an analysis of "recordings" prior to the accident - the driver (owner) lost control in a straight line, crashed (including a roll-over), due to underestimating the road conditions ("inappropriate speed"). He (30) is currently in critical condition and his passenger - a journalist (35) taken out for a test drive - died during the crash. Tragedy struck.

English:
http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/01/03/c...-3-test-drive/

Flemish:
http://kw.knack.be/west-vlaanderen/n...0025485057.htm
http://kw.knack.be/west-vlaanderen/n...0025706664.htm

Reminds us that we are all mere mortals.

[LuuZ]

Damn, sad news, the Atom is a very radical car indeed....

[1560]

to be honoust,
the ariël-accident made me think of not taking delivery of the 3whlr
but selling it through the dealer,
but I also cycle a lot, also in Brussels,
somehow, when you are due to go, no matter how safe the vehicle you will
be "in" or "on", you'll die

used the 1M for 300km, in rather bad weather
the safety-systems are really good in the 1M
once more very happy I did buy it

aeromax: well, I easily say goodbuy to "stuff"
and I did all the rides I wanted to do with that fenomenal car
so time for the next episode

[1560]

Originally Posted by Pol

A very sad story. Glad I am a private owner too.

my 1M cost me every year around 17000km EVERYTHING paid+depreciation
glad it is my company car
even thougt it will cost me netto another 5000euro a year

911:
cost/value-losses: 25000 a year
tax: 9000 netto

my opinion:
2 possibilities:
nice car you drive many km's: on the company
very special car you drive very little: private+good cheap company car

no kidding: my next company car could be a cayman pdk
why not, it has got to be able to cary mountainbike+luggage
privately it would cost me still more than twice I'm taxed now

edit: I'll also swap cars faster than now, not willing to pay the "larger" amount for a old model
and CO-emmisions will lower fast now, look at the new 335i: a whole lot less
also 328i is very interesting, turbo brings low-rev-power
new boxster/caymans will have both 2.0turbo and 3.4B6: wouldn't mind driving the 2.0 if it feels fast enough

also: read the emissions of the i8: thinking of discussing that car with my dad, buying it on the company for the both of us
it'll be expensive, but if it delivers on driving satisfaction and is taxed on the minimum: yihaa!!!!!!

edit2: not the strongest, but he who adapts himselve the best to new conditions will survive
I'm not scared, willing to change FOR THE BETTER

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 1560

but I also cycle a lot, also in Brussels,
somehow, when you are due to go, no matter how safe the vehicle you will
be "in" or "on", you'll die

As the saying goes: "In Brussel zijn er twee soorten fietsers: zij die al gevallen zijn en zij die nog moeten vallen" ("There are two sorts of cyclists in Brussels: those who have already fallen and those who still have to fall".)

Definitely, Brussels is mad, especially during rush hour (some car drivers are sleepy, have a hangover, are tired, work on their make-up, use mobile for texting, phoning or reading their e-mails or newspapers, fiddle on their radio, are nervous or simply plain negligent). Ask police and they'll tell you to beware as much as you can. Despite permanent defensive and danger-anticipative two-wheel driving, I experienced already loads of WTF-moments during near misses where I lucked out of. Went wrong three times so far (but only got bruises - no bones broken so far):

One of my neighbors got killed with his bicycle (car turning into a side street without turning signal and without checking side mirror). Food for thought.