New ethanol E15 standard?

[Gangplank]

So we now have a new E15 year round standard put in place.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...-gasoline/amp/

I'm not a hippie environmentalist or anything. I just don't like the idea of running gas that is higher than 10% ethanol in my BMWs. When I had my 05 X5 4.0 v8 & 08 F800GS there was a noticeable difference running ethanol vs non ethanol fuel. I lived at altitude and it was cold at times which seemed to be a bad combo and the ethanol gas made both of those vehicles run rougher. Some claimed the ethanol was the cause of fuel pump issues on the F800s. Mine never failed but the bike made less power on E-gas.

Reading the news it sounds like most gas will stay at E10 anyway unless you live in corn country, but who knows.

Anyway, any thoughts on running E15 in a 1er?

[c1pher]

The people pushing the stuff are like drug dealers. They don’t care if it busts your car and you have to buy a new one. None of my equipment, motorcycles or cars were designed to run in E15 as far as I know. And ethanol is less efficient than regular gas so you will get crappier mpgs. It only sounds like 5% more ethanol but it’s actually a 50% increase over E10. It can also disrupt the food supply. I haven’t read that we have too much food so turning corn or corn byproducts into fuel doesn’t sound smart.

[bagekko]

I thought they were talking about getting rid of the ethanol mandate not increasing it!

[gjm120]

With the subsidies in place for the manufacture & blending of ethanol, I'm afraid E15 will become prevalent. The whole ethanol thing is a load of crap started by ADM and Secy of Trans Dole long time ago.

Worse of all it ruined the fibreglass tank on my Norton Commando!

[chris_flies]

IIRC, the gas cap says E0-E10, so I wonder how the car will run on E15, when it wasn't apparently designed for it. I'd worry more about the rubber lines degrading quicker, but it was designed with ethanol in mind :

[blue135]

Suppose the real problem is the proposed tariffs? Administration makes up for lost grain sales to China by giving farmers an addition to the corn to ethanol. Does nothing for farmers to make up for lost soybean sales and gives consumers additional vehicle problems to deal with.

[Matticus91]

It'll be 0-15% ethanol and we'll likely see zero change in prices, if not increase, and obviously lower MPG with the lower combustion ratings.

Those who do not have FF sensors will have issues with idle and cold startup, especially in colder weather, and there will probably be long-term impacts on fuel system components in certain makes/models.

Really not great for the masses, and the variability from fill-to-fill is going to be a pain in the ass.

[Gangplank]

Exactly... personally I'll be avoiding E15 if at all possible. Just more "making America worse again."

[chris_flies]

Originally Posted by Matticus91

It'll be 0-15% ethanol and we'll likely see zero change in prices, if not increase, and obviously lower MPG with the lower combustion ratings.

Those who do not have FF sensors will have issues with idle and cold startup, especially in colder weather, and there will probably be long-term impacts on fuel system components in certain makes/models.

Really not great for the masses, and the variability from fill-to-fill is going to be a pain in the ass.

If I read the few articles correctly, it's only going to apply for the summer/warm months.

Gangplank blue135 I think they should be doing more with Bio-Diesel. Burns cleaner, safer, is less smelly as a fuel, and could make up for more of the lost business. It can (and is sometimes) used in airplanes, trains, ships, etc. IIRC, all United flights leaving LAX are burning it. And, it's easier to adapt both old and new diesel vehicles (if needed at all) to run on the stuff, compared to gas cars and ethanol fuels...

Added-on: I do think that it is a pretty big misstep on his part...

[Droptop986]

Ok so everyone is talking about negatives....is there any positives to e15? Wondering if with a car tuned for e15 could benefit from it? Or what mods could be done to benefit from or reduce damage from running it...ie fuel pump etc

[chris_flies]

Originally Posted by Droptop986

Ok so everyone is talking about negatives....is there any positives to e15? Wondering if with a car tuned for e15 could benefit from it? Or what mods could be done to benefit from or reduce damage from running it...ie fuel pump etc

Turbo cars can run a little more power in the summer time. Winter is considered BOOOOOST season (with emphasis) because you can run the car harder without crazy IAT's and turning the engine into a door knocker.

There are very few benefits for N/A cars, other than supposedly burning cleaner...

[bagekko]

Wealthier already subsidized corn farmers

Originally Posted by Droptop986

Ok so everyone is talking about negatives....is there any positives to e15? Wondering if with a car tuned for e15 could benefit from it? Or what mods could be done to benefit from or reduce damage from running it...ie fuel pump etc

[ejm3]

Here is CT we switch to Ethanol I think Nov. 1 every year through March 31.

I figure I get on average about 10% worse gas mileage in the winter between all my cars.

So anything you save in less gasoline you give up in worse mileage and worse performance.

This is basically a giveaway to farmers.

[blue135]

Actually, the money on this will accrue to the likes of Archer Daniels Midland and other ethanol producers. There is a surplus of corn and now soybeans (not typically used in ethanol) so commodity prices will not be impacted by this as much as they were hurt by tariffs.

[Olgeezer1]

Can you guys in the U.S. even get real gasoline anymore? Here we still have Shell 91 and Esso 91 that are ethanol free. Everything else is E10. Small engine repair guys (lawnmowers, outboard motors, etc.) have been seeing problems with ethanol fuel for years.

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Originally Posted by Olgeezer1

Can you guys in the U.S. even get real gasoline anymore? Here we still have Shell 91 and Esso 91 that are ethanol free. Everything else is E10. Small engine repair guys (lawnmowers, outboard motors, etc.) have been seeing problems with ethanol fuel for years.

Esso is not ethanol free.

[bagekko]

There are some states that allow ethanol free gas to be sold, sadly I dont live anywhere near one of them.

Originally Posted by Olgeezer1

Can you guys in the U.S. even get real gasoline anymore? Here we still have Shell 91 and Esso 91 that are ethanol free. Everything else is E10. Small engine repair guys (lawnmowers, outboard motors, etc.) have been seeing problems with ethanol fuel for years.

[desertman123]

In Orlando I can find it, but it's always a novelty

Along the coast it's pretty easy to find, most people run it in their boats

[chris_flies]

There's non-ethanol gas here. Granted, I've either seen it at the race track or in the middle of nowhere...

[optigrab]

Originally Posted by chris_flies

There's non-ethanol gas here. Granted, I've either seen it at the race track or in the middle of nowhere...

ive seen stations in towns in VA with 100% gas pumps but they are normally on the side of the lot not at the main island. most of the people are getting fuel for small two stroke engines.

[bm996tt]

Have 100% gas here in Pa= local for me. Not a concern for me personally and if it helps the farmers I'm for it. Never see a real problem in any of my cars or equipment using current ethanol blend. of course the ethanol % being higher may cause an issue= but I doubt it.

[optigrab]

Originally Posted by bm996tt

Have 100% gas here in Pa= local for me. Not a concern for me personally and if it helps the farmers I'm for it. Never see a real problem in any of my cars or equipment using current ethanol blend. of course the ethanol % being higher may cause an issue= but I doubt it.

The vast majority of American motorists won't notice any changes based on this new regulation. Most gasoline supplies in the United States year-round will continue to contain no more than 10% ethano

From what the article says it just will be available year round its not replacing the normal gas E10