[Jesse Wilson]

Anywhere. Can someone please help me, even if I have to buy it online. I have been to literally every auto parts place around me and a serch online only pulls up news articles about it not where to buy it.


Jesse

[Nikki]

What do you need it for? Don't want BMW changing your oil for free? I guess if the dealer is far away it could be a hassle to have to bring it there.

[Nikki]

Oh and you can get it from the BMW dealer, they even have it listed in their accessories brochure on page 31. It is $4.60.

[theclay]

You can't possibly have 15,000 miles already!

[E90Fleet]

LL-04 spec oil is not required for the petrol engines, LL-01 spec is still fine for them, so you can use normal Mobil 1

But as said before you can try your losest BMW dealer

[Jesse Wilson]

I can find regular 5W-30 everywhere and as far as I can tell the oil offered in the accessories catalog is not the ESP formula. My car has 1200 miles on it right now, so I want to change the oil. Then I will be changing it every 5K so I will need to do it twice before the dealer ever even sees my car. I know LL-04 is not required for the car but if I can find it and it is the same price why not use it? The problem is just finding it. It was announced earlier this year and I can't understand why I can't seem to find it anywhere.


Jesse

[Nikki]

Why aren't you following the recommended schedule? Don't trust BMW?

[NaTuReB0Y]

I'm going to change my oil every 5,000 miles.........
15,000 miles is just way too long.........15,000 miles!

[Nikki]

I'm just going to change it once a year, since I only put 5k miles on a year anyway

[Jesse Wilson]

It's a VERY small investment compared to what I spent ont he car. $35 is worth it for peace of mind if you ask me. I would never go 15K between oil changes no matter who told me it was OK. Well not unless they offered me a 200K warranty.

So really has nobody bought this oil yet? If not I guess I will just get the regular Mobil 1 5W-30.


Jesse

[Nikki]

What's wrong with the oil in the accessories brochure? They wouldn't list a different type of oil than what is required.

[NaTuReB0Y]

Originally Posted by Nikki

Oh and you can get it from the BMW dealer, they even have it listed in their accessories brochure on page 31. It is $4.60.

Are you sure these are synthetic oil mobil 1....that's sounds too cheap to be true....especially from a dealer.

[Jesse Wilson]

I think you are missing my point, nothing is "wrong" with the oil in the brochure. It's just LL-01, and if I can find an LL-04 oil which is better then why not use it.


Jesse

[Nikki]

It says it is synthetic. It doesn't say anything about LL-01 or LL-04. Why don't you try calling your local dealer and asking them?

[Jesse Wilson]

It's not LL-04, the only LL-04 oil for the US is the ESP formula which it specificaly states on the bottle.


Jesse

[Nikki]

What is the difference between the two? Apparently BMW uses that kind when they do oil changes so it has to be fine for the car. Does the kind of oil you're looking for have some sort of additional benefit to the car?

[NaTuReB0Y]

Originally Posted by Jesse Wilson

It's not LL-04, the only LL-04 oil for the US is the ESP formula which it specificaly states on the bottle.


Jesse

hey...if you ever run across the LL-04....let me know...I'm also interested in it too.......thanks!

[Hoenir]

U Must use Castrol!
Mobil = Mercedes
:P

[Jesse Wilson]

Will do NatureBoy and here you go Nikki:

March 1, 2005 -- ExxonMobil today announces the launch of its new Emission System Protection (ESP) motor oil Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 as it goes on sale in Europe.

The new engine oil has been expertly engineered to help prolong the life of emission reduction systems whilst maintaining the previous high performance benefits of Mobil 1. Its launch is the latest milestone in the Mobil 1 history of technological innovation.

New Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30, whilst developed for diesel engines is also suitable for gasoline cars. It therefore helps protect and prolong the life of both diesel particulate filters (DPFs) and catalytic converters (CATs) for gasoline engines.

Current engine oil technology is not designed to limit the amount of oil-derived ash in the exhaust, which could block the DPF and inhibit its ability to capture particulate material.

Technology Benefits

The new technology also offers a number of features aimed at delivering environmental benefits.

Low levels of chlorine help enhance the environmental friendliness of the oil in its used state. Moreover, the technology has been developed to help deliver performance and protection in conjunction with improved fuel economy. It will allow the oil to perform at extreme high and low temperatures and protect against engine wear and sludge.

It conforms to the new ‘ACEA C3’ category of Low Emission products recently introduced by the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA), as well as the existing ACEA A3, B3 and B4 categories.

OEM Approvals

The new ESP technology has received OEM approvals from some of the world’s leading car manufacturers such as Mercedes Benz (MB), BMW and Volkswagen (VW) Group.

Mercedes Benz has approved Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 to MB 229.31 specification and can be used for all current passenger car diesel engines. The product is backwards compatible, in line with service fill recommendations, offering dealers and motorists alike a streamlined choice of engine lubricant.

BMW approved Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 according to their newest LL-04 specification. This specification covers the former LL-98 and LL-01 specs and Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 is therefore suitable for today's gasoline and diesel engine including DPF technology and is also backwards compatible, in line with service fill recommendations, offering dealers and motorists alike a streamlined choice of engine lubricant.

And most recently ExxonMobil announced the VW Group has approved its new Mobil 1 ESP formula 5 W-30 engine oil for VW 504.00 and 507.00 specifications.

ExxonMobil has its own in-house Research & Development division, which conducts product development and testing. Since 2002, its research engineers have worked closely with a number of car manufacturers on developing the ESP technology.

Background to ‘Low Ash’ and ESP technology

In recent years car manufacturers have worked to develop a new generation of DPFs aimed at performing over the lifetime of the vehicle.

This new generation, dubbed ‘lifetime fit’, will allow diesel car manufacturers to meet new European exhaust emission legislation aimed at limiting the amount of particulate matter and nitrous oxides (NOx) emitted from diesel passenger vehicles.

Andrew Woolf, European automotive marketing manager of ExxonMobil, said: “Today’s announcement represents another milestone in Mobil 1’s journey of technological innovation. For more than 30 years ExxonMobil has been a technological leader in the development of synthetic engine oil through Mobil 1. I know of no other oil manufacturer in the world that has as many OEM approvals as ExxonMobil.

"The ESP technology innovation we unveil today continues the tradition of Mobil 1 providing motorists with the very best in engine lubrication and advanced performance.“

[Jesse Wilson]

Just an FYI for those curious about the Mobil 1 5W-30, hope this helps.


I just called Mobil and talked to a guy two steps beyond their first line of customer service. He was very knowledgable and more over willing to explain and answer all of my questions. Frankly I was really impressed.

The 5W-30 is not shipped to the US. So we are out of luck there. He said the cost/profit isn't advantagous at this time as it's a EU spec oil. The only Mobil 1 oil approved for our cars is the 0W-40 which meets the LL-01 specs. He said in the industry it is considered one of the best oils in the world. The 0W-40 just got the distinction from Porsche to be used in any Porsche ever made. That oil is the only oil in the world approved to do so.

He took my info and is going to call me ack tomorrow and let me know any info he can find out about the LL-04 spec as it relates to the Mobil 1 products.


Jesse

[E90Fleet]

The LL-04 spec is only needed for Diesel cars with patriculate filters

Just use the LL-01 appproved Mobil 1 or Castrol, thats what approved for the petrol engines

[mikepinkerton]

Um, I'm really confused.

I've been buying Mobil 1 5W-30 for years from auto stores and Sams Club. I've got a case out in my garage right now (I just checked). What am I missing?

-Mike