2011 135 v 2015 GTI

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by fcman

Well I mean it accelerates around the same as your car stock for stock, pulls more G's on the skid pad, responds better to mods, gets better gas mileage, is cheaper to maintain, is not primarily driven by upper-middle class highschool girls... I could go on.

You could, but all of those are lies and outright exaggerations of what a shit car like the Golf is capable of. I mean, do you really want to go down this route? I would drive a Prius before I ever step foot in a VW product..including Audi. Poser cars.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

You could, but all of those are lies and outright exaggerations of what a shit car like the Golf is capable of. I mean, do you really want to go down this route? I would drive a Prius before I ever step foot in a VW product..including Audi. Poser cars.

Only a true fanboy can argue against facts I guess. And sorry, I guess I was mistaken about the acceleration figures, they aren't really as similar as I thought, the GTI is around half a second quicker to 60

MotorTrend Reviews

BMW 330i
0-30 2.2 sec
0-40 3.5
0-50 4.8
0-60 6.2
0-70 8.4
0-80 10.7
0-90 13.1
Quarter mile 14.8 sec @ 95.1 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 112 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.88 g (avg)
MT Figure Eight 26.5 sec @ 0.67 g (avg)


VW GTI
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.5 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 100 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
MT Figure Eight 25.1 sec @ .76g



Yikes, which car is overpriced again? For the price of the BMW you can get a Golf R that will make your car look like a Camry

[Gray_Panther]

@TheAxiom, dude, are you ok, bro?

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by fcman

Only a true fanboy can argue against facts I guess. And sorry, I guess I was mistaken about the acceleration figures, they aren't really as similar as I thought, the GTI is around half a second quicker to 60

MotorTrend Reviews

BMW 330i
0-30 2.2 sec
0-40 3.5
0-50 4.8
0-60 6.2
0-70 8.4
0-80 10.7
0-90 13.1
Quarter mile 14.8 sec @ 95.1 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 112 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.88 g (avg)
MT Figure Eight 26.5 sec @ 0.67 g (avg)


VW GTI
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.5 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 100 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
MT Figure Eight 25.1 sec @ .76g



Yikes, which car is overpriced again? For the price of the BMW you can get a Golf R that will make your car look like a Camry

I assume you are comparing the 27k+ MK7 Golf with PP to a almost 10 year old BMW? Sure. I mean, just because the BMW is bad, doesn't make the Golf good. There aren't enough numbers quantify how shit those cars are.

Not a fan and nothing you say will change that.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

You could, but all of those are lies and outright exaggerations of what a shit car like the Golf is capable of. I mean, do you really want to go down this route? I would drive a Prius before I ever step foot in a VW product..including Audi. Poser cars.

Your opinion is fucked up.

Go drive a Mk7 GTI, and come back and tell us about your experience.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by swagon

Your opinion is fucked up.

Go drive a Mk7 GTI, and come back and tell us about your experience.

Why would I do that?

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by fcman

Only a true fanboy can argue against facts I guess. And sorry, I guess I was mistaken about the acceleration figures, they aren't really as similar as I thought, the GTI is around half a second quicker to 60

MotorTrend Reviews

BMW 330i
0-30 2.2 sec
0-40 3.5
0-50 4.8
0-60 6.2
0-70 8.4
0-80 10.7
0-90 13.1
Quarter mile 14.8 sec @ 95.1 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 112 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.88 g (avg)
MT Figure Eight 26.5 sec @ 0.67 g (avg)


VW GTI
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.5 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 100 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
MT Figure Eight 25.1 sec @ .76g



Yikes, which car is overpriced again? For the price of the BMW you can get a Golf R that will make your car look like a Camry

with all due respect....acceleration times are just one performance statistic. There is NO GTI that will be as balanced as the E46....sorry to say.


Having driven audi products for 10+ years before getting my first BMW....they are GOOD cars, but not exactly dynamic to drive. People modify them extensively to try to make them dynamic but they aren't engineered as such.

That being said...the GTI is probably the best VW or Audi product around. It won't be as enjoyable as a RWD car....but it's like a halfway point between horribly boring FWD cars like a Camry and enjoyable RWD cars like a 1er.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

with all due respect....acceleration times are just one performance statistic. There is NO GTI that will be as balanced as the E46....sorry to say.


Having driven audi products for 10+ years before getting my first BMW....they are GOOD cars, but not exactly dynamic to drive. People modify them extensively to try to make them dynamic but they aren't engineered as such.

That being said...the GTI is probably the best VW or Audi product around. It won't be as enjoyable as a RWD car....but it's like a halfway point between horribly boring FWD cars like a Camry and enjoyable RWD cars like a 1er.

So where would you put current vintage BMWs, like 3-Series and 2-Series vs. the current GTI? I think I would prefer the GTI, at least as far as driveability.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by champignon

So where would you put current vintage BMWs, like 3-Series and 2-Series vs. the current GTI? I think I would prefer the GTI, at least as far as driveability.

Why would you spend real car money on a GTI when you could have a 1/2 series - that is what I honestly don't understand.

The GTI, and pretty much all of VW's line up aren't a value in any sense of the word.

Most power? No.
Best handling? No.
Best quality? No.
Best reliability? No.
Best compromise? No.

They do NOTHING better than similar cars in the price range, they honestly don't make a compelling case at all. I'd go as far to say people who buy VWs are just aren't either a. educated (not in an academic sense) or b. just not true enthusiast. These people are the same ones who created this tread afterall:



You're buying a FWD economy car for almost 30K and it's still a turd, it's still a half-baked under-engineered shitbox 'designed' by VWs incompetent engineering team, not to mention for that money there are VASTLY better cars.

And now watch as people flood here to defend these turds "it's got nice soft touch plastics in the interior"

[Gray_Panther]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Why would you spend real car money on a GTI when you could have a 1/2 series - that is what I honestly don't understand.

The GTI, and pretty much all of VW's line up aren't a value in any sense of the word.

Most power? No.
Best handling? No.
Best quality? No.
Best reliability? No.
Best compromise? No.

They do NOTHING better than similar cars in the price range, they honestly don't make a compelling case at all. I'd go as far to say people who buy VWs are just aren't either a. educated (not in an academic sense) or b. just not true enthusiast. These people are the same ones who created this tread afterall:



You're buying a FWD economy car for almost 30K and it's still a turd, it's still a half-baked under-engineered shitbox 'designed' by VWs incompetent engineering team, not to mention for that money there are VASTLY better cars.

And now watch as people flood here to defend these turds "it's got nice soft touch plastics in the interior"

Give me a hug bro. It sounds like you need one.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by Gray_Panther

Give me a hug bro. It sounds like you need one.

I hurt so much man.

[Gray_Panther]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I hurt so much man.

Come on man. Let's bro it out. It's gonna be ok.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I hurt so much man.

Either a retard or a troll. Maybe both.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by swagon

Either a retard or a troll. Maybe both.

Says the guy who is slobbering on VWs cock. Right.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Says the guy who is slobbering on VWs cock. Right.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by swagon

I don't get it?

[NYHoustonman]

The new Golf R is a better choice for a true car enthusiast than any non-M BMW, and it costs thousands less.

I'll just leave this here...

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by NYHoustonman

The new Golf R is a better choice for a true car enthusiast than any non-M BMW, and it costs thousands less.

I'll just leave this here...

No it's not. Sorry you haven't heard of the 225/235. I'm not even a BMW fan, and I can tell you that the Golf R is a POS in comparison to most cars, much less a BMW 320i

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

No it's not. Sorry you haven't heard of the 225/235. I'm not even a BMW fan, and I can tell you that the Golf R is a POS in comparison to most cars, much less a BMW 320i

did you just really say that a Golf R is a POS compared to a 320i? COME ON, man!

The 320i...and the 3-series in general these days is a total joke. Have you driven an F3X generation 3-series? It's no better to drive than a Camry....really. I was equally as unimpressed with the 2-series that i have driven.....soft and wallowy

you can dislike VWs all you want...i kind of do too...but you're stepping into odd territory comparing a mundane applicance like a 320i to a decent performance car like a Golf R.

[Dilmorecg]

[davis449]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

did you just really say that a Golf R is a POS compared to a 320i? COME ON, man!

The 320i...and the 3-series in general these days is a total joke. Have you driven an F3X generation 3-series? It's no better to drive than a Camry....really. I was equally as unimpressed with the 2-series that i have driven.....soft and wallowy

you can dislike VWs all you want...i kind of do too...but you're stepping into odd territory comparing a mundane applicance like a 320i to a decent performance car like a Golf R.

So about that other thread where I said a bunch of mean things to you regarding fanboism...I take them ALL back.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

The 320i...and the 3-series in general these days is a total joke. Have you driven an F3X generation 3-series? It's no better to drive than a Camry....really. I was equally as unimpressed with the 2-series that i have driven.....soft and wallowy

So the question is will BMW realize that their reputation built up through the years requires a certain critical mass of driving enthusiasts to support (which brings in many of the less demanding luxury car driver segment), or will they abandon the enthusiasts? (note to BMW management; enthusiasts want more than just power and fast acceleration).

My bet is on the latter, but I'd be really pleased to see the former.