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      01-16-2009, 12:21 AM   #45
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you need to make wheels that are AS WIDE AS WILL FIT in the front and back have a high offset. this plus 50 offset 8.5 all around is totally lame. Think about it, you have to get custom wheels if you want 10's in the rear. Some people here are too conservative let them get their 8.5 inch all around wheels off tire rack or something. pfft get over it !!! ROLL YOUR FENDERS CUT THEM MAKE IT WIDE AND FLUSH !!
Do the rest of you agree with this mindset?
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      01-16-2009, 08:52 AM   #46
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Do the rest of you agree with this mindset?
No, this wide as possible mindset has too much to do with aesthetics over handling. A 8"/9" wheel with correct offset would allow a wider tire than stock and would not rub on a lowered car.

In my opinion the current 8.5/9.5 wheels with offset in the 40s, CSL reps and others, have the car looking silly with wheels sticking almost out of the fenders.

This thread is going in the right direction.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21556
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Do the rest of you agree with this mindset?
I agree with everything except the idea of cutting fenders. Rolling isn't a big deal though... I've said this about a million and a half times now, but IF a custom set of wheels are going to be developed for this car, they should look good and maximize performance. A wheel that doesn't fit PROPER sized tires due to improper offset IS NOT feasible for me.

I had a VW GTI that I bought 18"x8.5" wheels for and the vendor I bought them from sent 225s mounted on them (this is before I knew what I know now)... While this FITS, it's not ideal. These wheels should have had 245-255s on them.

Unfortunately the weather will not allow me to go outside and take measurements regarding offset; however, I can tell you that an 18"x8" wheel with 245/35s and 18"x10" with 285/30s will keep the stock rotating diameter of 629mm. Also, forging obviously drives the cost through the roof, but modern casting can allow for a relatively inexpensive, strong AND light wheel to be built. Anything over 22-23 lbs with regard to that rear wheel is just too much for my taste. Just my $.02

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      01-16-2009, 12:30 PM   #48
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I agree with everything except the idea of cutting fenders. Rolling isn't a big deal though... I've said this about a million and a half times now, but IF a custom set of wheels are going to be developed for this car, they should look good and maximize performance. A wheel that doesn't fit PROPER sized tires due to improper offset IS NOT feasible for me.

I had a VW GTI that I bought 18"x8.5" wheels for and the vendor I bought them from sent 225s mounted on them (this is before I knew what I know now)... While this FITS, it's not ideal. These wheels should have had 245-255s on them.

Unfortunately the weather will not allow me to go outside and take measurements regarding offset; however, I can tell you that an 18"x8" wheel with 245/35s and 18"x10" with 285/30s will keep the stock rotating diameter of 629mm. Also, forging obviously drives the cost through the roof, but modern casting can allow for a relatively inexpensive, strong AND light wheel to be built. Anything over 22-23 lbs with regard to that rear wheel is just too much for my taste. Just my $.02

Build them and they will come! :wink:
This is more what I am thinking for my own 1 series. Cutting fenders is not acceptable. Rolling fenders... maybe (but most people are scared of it, let's be honest... fear of the unknown).

It will definitely be 18's. It will definitely be higher offsets than 40/45.

We just need to get some wheel companies on board with this idea of making a new mold with very high offsets instead of trying to "make it work" with old E46 offsets. I didn't buy my 1 series to compromise on wheel fitment, and I know the rest of you didn't either.
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      01-16-2009, 01:21 PM   #49
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This is more what I am thinking for my own 1 series. Cutting fenders is not acceptable. Rolling fenders... maybe (but most people are scared of it, let's be honest... fear of the unknown).

It will definitely be 18's. It will definitely be higher offsets than 40/45.

We just need to get some wheel companies on board with this idea of making a new mold with very high offsets instead of trying to "make it work" with old E46 offsets. I didn't buy my 1 series to compromise on wheel fitment, and I know the rest of you didn't either.
What about contacting COR wheels here in Miami, and working out a deal to make some nice Monoblock wheels?
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Do the rest of you agree with this mindset?
No, I shouldn't have to roll my fenders to make a properly fit rim and tire combo fit. Now, if I want to put even wider tires on those rims, then I accept the possibility that I'll need to roll my fenders.

But I shouldn't have to roll my fenders to fit 255/35 or even 265 for that matter.
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No, I shouldn't have to roll my fenders to make a properly fit rim and tire combo fit. Now, if I want to put even wider tires on those rims, then I accept the possibility that I'll need to roll my fenders.

But I shouldn't have to roll my fenders to fit 255/35 or even 265 for that matter.
Yup, this.
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No, I shouldn't have to roll my fenders to make a properly fit rim and tire combo fit. Now, if I want to put even wider tires on those rims, then I accept the possibility that I'll need to roll my fenders.

But I shouldn't have to roll my fenders to fit 255/35 or even 265 for that matter.
The good news for you guys is this is the mindset I am in and will be pushing for with our wheel suppliers.
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No, I shouldn't have to roll my fenders to make a properly fit rim and tire combo fit. Now, if I want to put even wider tires on those rims, then I accept the possibility that I'll need to roll my fenders.
100% agree.

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But I shouldn't have to roll my fenders to fit 255/35 or even 265 for that matter.
I do agree with this; however, if I had to roll to run the #s I listed above, it's 100% worth doing. I'm in agreement with Mike in that most people don't want to roll their fenders because it's generally unexplored territory... For 255s (F) and 285s (R), the territory is well-worth the exploration!
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      01-16-2009, 05:07 PM   #54
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Welllllllll if you're looking for my ideal setup opinion:

18x8.5 and 18x9.5 and whatever offset wont rub.
No cutting. Preferably no rolling.

I want to run 245/265 or 255/275 tires.
IMO a 20mm difference is perfect.
30 makes too much understeer. 10 would be nice for the track but I feel like it'll be too snappy for daily smashing.

I plan to mod eventually, so it's not just a "more rubber is better" mentality. It's a "245 rears cannot hold the stock power so what is 100 more hp going to do to tires that are only 10 or 20mms wider?" mindset.
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100% agree.



I do agree with this; however, if I had to roll to run the #s I listed above, it's 100% worth doing. I'm in agreement with Mike in that most people don't want to roll their fenders because it's generally unexplored territory... For 255s (F) and 285s (R), the territory is well-worth the exploration!
I agree with this as well. Like I said, if I decide to put even wider tires on a 9.5" rim, I accept that I will be buying myself the need to roll the fenders. But for a DD setup, which is what I'm assuming this rims will be, I have no need or desire to roll my fenders.

Now when I start tracking the car, if I do, then I'll start accepting rolling my fenders to make a 285 fit.
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So it looks like the majority of you want a good setup for daily driving. As aggressive as possible, but without NEEDING to roll the fenders to avoid rubbing.

Am I accurate in this summary?
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So it looks like the majority of you want a good setup for daily driving. As aggressive as possible, but without NEEDING to roll the fenders to avoid rubbing.

Am I accurate in this summary?
Yes.

There are already plenty of wheels available that could fit after rolling/cutting the fenders.
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My vote would be for 17 x 8.5 and 245/40 all around for track use if it can be done without fender mods. Same rolling diameter, lots of DOT Comps available, minimize understeer. Now if they would only fit using the same wheels front and back.
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So it looks like the majority of you want a good setup for daily driving. As aggressive as possible, but without NEEDING to roll the fenders to avoid rubbing.

Am I accurate in this summary?
Sounds good to me. Many people want a wheel that conforms to one or more of the following:

-performs well
-looks sharp
-looks aggressive
-doesn't require body modifications (rolled fenders, etc.)
-relatively inexpensive

For me, buying a wheel was like buying a diamond for the ring my wife wears. I know I could not get a 2 carat, d-color, vvs1, etc diamond without spending a fortune. So I set in a cap price and played around with the various options till I found a diamond that suited my needs best. Same thing here. All these options would go on a sliding scale and you set the deal breaker (in this case, for me and others, body modification would be that) and then mess around with the other options. So figure out how wide you can go without body modification, what offsets that would require, style it so that it looks good and weighs much less than the stock wheels and overall price it in the same range as many of the other popular wheel styles (GTS-R, CSL reps, etc) and you have a recipe for a product many people who are looking for a wheel will jump on because it is made for our car.
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my opinion of the ideal wheel lineup would be:

18x8.5 et42, 18x10 et60, 18x9 et55
19x8.5 et42, 19x10 et60

the 8.5/10 combos would be good for street
the 18x9 would allow people to run square track setups (with a 12mm front spacer), or pair with a 18x10 rear.
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So it looks like the majority of you want a good setup for daily driving. As aggressive as possible, but without NEEDING to roll the fenders to avoid rubbing.

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100%
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So it looks like the majority of you want a good setup for daily driving. As aggressive as possible, but without NEEDING to roll the fenders to avoid rubbing.
Am I accurate in this summary?
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So it looks like the majority of you want a good setup for daily driving. As aggressive as possible, but without NEEDING to roll the fenders to avoid rubbing.

Am I accurate in this summary?
how can you define that it will be aggressive as possible, but not need rolling when people are going to run bigger size tires than others:iono:
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how can you define that it will be aggressive as possible, but not need rolling when people are going to run bigger size tires than others:iono:
It's a fine line. We've figured out wheel fitments for the E46 3 series, E90 3 series, E92 3 series, and the E60 5 series in the past and we'll get it right on the E82 also.
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