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[mechanicalmagic]

Since it's been 5+ weeks since the group buy closed, I was wondering when they will be delivered?

Also, my name is not shown on the website, as having purchased. If you need the invoice number, PM me.

Dave J.

[arrutled]

Originally Posted by paintpro21

FYI, these pictures also include a 5mm spacer up front because of how their coilover is setup.

Well thats promising!

[BerkTechnology]

Originally Posted by larryn

Brian, how much camber do you have up front, with those 255's on? Also, I know you guys run Star Specs too. Any idea if the Toyo Proxes you have on the front in that pic are narrower than the 255 Star Specs?

We're running at about 2.6* front, 2* rear.

Going from narrowest to widest 255/35/18 tire. Toyo R1R, Dunlop Star Spec, Yoko Neova AD08.

We have run all 3 brands of tires in the same size on the same exact size wheel (18x8.5 +38) and none of them have clearance issues.

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by mechanicalmagic

Since it's been 5+ weeks since the group buy closed, I was wondering when they will be delivered?

Also, my name is not shown on the website, as having purchased. If you need the invoice number, PM me.

Dave J.

PM sent, since this is a commercial question. Your name is on the site under the wheel size you ordered (18x8.5)

[fourtailpipes]

Originally Posted by BerkTechnology

this car needs wider shoes!!!!

couldn't agree more. the test fits look perfect. i have a feeling that once these become readily available, the orders will pour in.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by BerkTechnology

We're running at about 2.6* front, 2* rear.

Going from narrowest to widest 255/35/18 tire. Toyo R1R, Dunlop Star Spec, Yoko Neova AD08.

We have run all 3 brands of tires in the same size on the same exact size wheel (18x8.5 +38) and none of them have clearance issues.

Thanks! I had the AD08s in 255 & 285 in my tirerack cart, but with the uncertainty and cost diff, I went with the Star Specs 255 & 275. With the M3 bits and camber plates, plus I'm rolled in front, I cannot see any problems. I was hoping to be able to run about -2deg (or if possible -1.5) on the street, and -3 at driving events (predominantly Autox, but planning on hitting Mont Tremblant, Watkins Glen, Monticello, and possibly Calabogie next year).

[Justin(OKC)]

Originally Posted by larryn

Thanks! I had the AD08s in 255 & 285 in my tirerack cart, but with the uncertainty and cost diff, I went with the Star Specs 255 & 275. With the M3 bits and camber plates, plus I'm rolled in front, I cannot see any problems. I was hoping to be able to run about -2deg (or if possible -1.5) on the street, and -3 at driving events (predominantly Autox, but planning on hitting Mont Tremblant, Watkins Glen, Monticello, and possibly Calabogie next year).

larryn, please post some pics when you get that setup on your car. After my forgeline debacle, I want to be sure my track setup will work. What rear camber are you planning on running?

[larryn]

Originally Posted by Justin(OKC)

larryn, please post some pics when you get that setup on your car. After my forgeline debacle, I want to be sure my track setup will work. What rear camber are you planning on running?

With 275's, I plan on -2 deg out back. Since I plan on daily driving these wheels, and no easy means to quickly change camber in back, I want a semi agressive camber, but not chew through tires going between the train station (as the 1st and last part of my commute) and home.

I will definitely post pics and impressions as soon as I get 'em. My only barring factor is drifting snow.

[mechanicalmagic]

Originally Posted by paintpro21

PM sent, since this is a commercial question. Your name is on the site under the wheel size you ordered (18x8.5)

Thanks, I found my name. Getting REALLY anxious to get some new rubber, and must wait for the wheels. I'm not very good at waiting.

[arrutled]

Originally Posted by larryn

Thanks! I had the AD08s in 255 & 285 in my tirerack cart, but with the uncertainty and cost diff, I went with the Star Specs 255 & 275. With the M3 bits and camber plates, plus I'm rolled in front, I cannot see any problems. I was hoping to be able to run about -2deg (or if possible -1.5) on the street, and -3 at driving events (predominantly Autox, but planning on hitting Mont Tremblant, Watkins Glen, Monticello, and possibly Calabogie next year).

AD08's are even wider than star specs according to berk as well.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by arrutled

AD08's are even wider than star specs according to berk as well.

Yes, I knew that too. Hank and I compared our new Star Specs vs. AD08s in 255. The Yokos were about 1/4" wider at the tread in that size.

The bummer part of that equation is that the size comparisons differ from tire size to tire size. So, although a 255 AD08 might be slightly larger than a 255 Star Spec, the same may not be true for other sizes.

Still, I was hoping that Dunlop would come out with a 285, but I doubt that they will, leaving Yoko as the only decent choice in that size.

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

If you roll your rear fender slightly, and use a 3mm spacer. I have a feeling you could make a wide 285 fit comfortably.

There really is a decent amount of room on the fender side with that nt-01, the issue is on the inside. So to go super wide without adding any rear camber at all it would need just a touch more space back there

[larryn]

Originally Posted by paintpro21

If you roll your rear fender slightly, and use a 3mm spacer. I have a feeling you could make a wide 285 fit comfortably.

There really is a decent amount of room on the fender side with that nt-01, the issue is on the inside. So to go super wide without adding any rear camber at all it would need just a touch more space back there

I do not want to use spacers at all (front or rear). It defeats my purpose for these wheels, seeing they are staggered and made to fit largest possible front and rear wheel separately without need for a spacer. Also, if I were required to run a spacer, I would want a spacer that allowed for hub-centricity, which is 8mm and larger.

Having lost a wheel on track in my old e90 due to using a non-hubcentric 5mm spacer before, I'm very leery about using non-hubcentric spacers.

[arrutled]

Do you know how the RE-11's stack up width wise versus those two???

Originally Posted by larryn

Yes, I knew that too. Hank and I compared our new Star Specs vs. AD08s in 255. The Yokos were about 1/4" wider at the tread in that size.

The bummer part of that equation is that the size comparisons differ from tire size to tire size. So, although a 255 AD08 might be slightly larger than a 255 Star Spec, the same may not be true for other sizes.

Still, I was hoping that Dunlop would come out with a 285, but I doubt that they will, leaving Yoko as the only decent choice in that size.

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by larryn

I do not want to use spacers at all (front or rear). It defeats my purpose for these wheels, seeing they are staggered and made to fit largest possible front and rear wheel separately without need for a spacer. Also, if I were required to run a spacer, I would want a spacer that allowed for hub-centricity, which is 8mm and larger.

Having lost a wheel on track in my old e90 due to using a non-hubcentric 5mm spacer before, I'm very leery about using non-hubcentric spacers.

Larry,

These wheels fit a lot of rubber. I was just commenting on the concept of running an ultra wide 285. Obviously there is a limit to everything, but something like that would be on the edge of possibility (possibly with no spacers at all. it's too early to know).

8mm can never be hubcentric. 10 is the thinnest hub centric spacer that won't run into issues the spacer floating off the mounting point.

a 5mm spacer would still be 100% hubcentric as there is plenty of lip left on the centerbore FYI. the centerbore bares no load, it's only for centering, and only needs a small amount to do so. Many people running the 17" arc-8 are running a 5mm spacer with zero issue. a 3mm would be even slimmer. I don't know how the spacer caused your wheel loss problem on your e90. I don't know the details, and I fully understand your concern. I don't think anybody needs spacers to run these in an normal setup. I just brought up the idea in case somebody tries to really push the envelope of fitment possibilities.

I'm thinking of r-compound tires in my mind that are just stupid wide, so this may not become an issue at all. negative camber and other settings would also help the wheel clear that lower sub frame problem that I experienced on a 100% stock car with very meaty rubber.

let the testing begin

[BerkTechnology]

Originally Posted by arrutled

Do you know how the RE-11's stack up width wise versus those two???

I don't know for sure but I'm willing to bet a round of beers that they don't run as wide as the Neova AD08. Prob similar to the Dunlop Star Specs.

I do not want to use spacers at all (front or rear). It defeats my purpose for these wheels, seeing they are staggered and made to fit largest possible front and rear wheel separately without need for a spacer. Also, if I were required to run a spacer, I would want a spacer that allowed for hub-centricity, which is 8mm and larger.

I'll have to backup Eddy on this one. A 3-5mm spacer will still be hubcentric on the lip of the hub. The hub doesn't actually bear the load, it's actually static forces between the wheel face against the flat surface of the hub.

Times where I see spacers become a problem and wheels start vibrating or flying is when the spacer cracks. And to add some interesting info to the discussion on spacers, Porsche GT2's and GT3's come with a 35mm spacer from the factory.

[larryn]

Thanks Eddy. I have an old set of H&R 8mm hubcentric spacers that I now see are no longer for sale. I feel the 3mm's grab enough of the center extension, but the 5's do not on some wheels with a larger inside chamfer. At the time of my incident, that is the only thing a bunch of us could attribute my situation to. Not going into the details... but everything was properly torqued, and I lost a wheel after the 5 bolts snapped.

Another thing that could help are hubcentric extensions, that, last time I checked, were not yet being produced for the E9X and E8X front bearing cup size.

Regardless, I'm getting my tires in there...

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by larryn

Regardless, I'm getting my tires in there...

And you'll be at the top of your class again!

[BerkTechnology]

Originally Posted by larryn

I feel the 3mm's grab enough of the center extension, but the 5's do not on some wheels with a larger inside chamfer.

That's a good point, didn't think of that one. I can say that on the APEX wheels we tested they grab at couple of mm's of the lip with our 5mm spacer.

I have one potential stock 135i that will come down next weekend for a test fit for strut clearance with the APEX wheel. We'll know the answer for sure at that time.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by BerkTechnology

That's a good point, didn't think of that one. I can say that on the APEX wheels we tested they grab at couple of mm's of the lip with our 5mm spacer.

I have one potential stock 135i that will come down next weekend for a test fit for strut clearance with the APEX wheel. We'll know the answer for sure at that time.

Why wait until next weekend.... just mail 'em to me.

[WAY]

Originally Posted by paintpro21

PM sent, since this is a commercial question. Your name is on the site under the wheel size you ordered (18x8.5)

Eddy, I sent you an IM awhile ago asking you the same question but I have not received an answer. Would appreciate an answer especially given I have ordered a different front set as well.

[larryn]

Way, dunno if this is what you are looking for, but I see you listed on the 18x10 ET25 list (your widebody front wheel fitment), here.

Also, the delivery times got updated in this post in the commercial thread. I assume your fronts would be the 'concave wheels' that he mentions.