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      04-08-2010, 07:38 PM   #1
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Autocar M1 article

GBP 8000 more than a 135i? thats $12000. seriously?
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...Series/248736/
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Different market, you can't do a straight conversion.
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Cars are always cheaper in the US. Feel bad for the Austrailians. They pay upwards of 80K US for our 135is...and we complain about 40K
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I never trust anything that autocar says anyway.
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      04-08-2010, 08:41 PM   #5
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I never trust anything that autocar says anyway.
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"BMW’s standard turbocharged 3.0-litre six already producing an M3-equalling 295lb ft, the newly developed M version of this engine should be good for at least 310lb ft." oooooooh.


I thought we were getting lightweight a turbo 4 anyway.
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      04-08-2010, 08:43 PM   #6
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^ I know...people have dynoed fully stock N54s at upwards of 320 lb-ft
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Cars are always cheaper in the US. Feel bad for the Austrailians. They pay upwards of 80K US for our 135is...and we complain about 40K
Exactly, my 135 retail cost was $90k....

A Porsche Cayman S here costs about $155k!
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      04-09-2010, 01:33 AM   #8
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GBP 8000 more than a 135i? thats $12000. seriously?
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...Series/248736/
Being in the UK. I would be ecstatic if the difference between the two was "only" £8000. I was expecting more like £10000.

The M1 would likely come with Sat Nav as standard like the M3 which is a £2000 option in itself and isn't standard on the 135i. Thus the "real" difference may only be £6000!

Bargain!
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      04-09-2010, 05:50 AM   #9
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Cars are always cheaper in the US. Feel bad for the Austrailians. They pay upwards of 80K US for our 135is...and we complain about 40K
I was looking at vert before I settled for the coupe. The vert I spec'd out was $105k!! The price made the choice a lot easier for me. Still love the verts though.
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Being in the UK. I would be ecstatic if the difference between the two was "only" £8000. I was expecting more like £10000.

The M1 would likely come with Sat Nav as standard like the M3 which is a £2000 option in itself and isn't standard on the 135i. Thus the "real" difference may only be £6000!

Bargain!
Not sure how to take this article from Autocar, personally I think the figure is about right as I actually doubt the 1M will receive Sat/Nav as standard. My belief is a more back to basics type of M car with goodies look Sat/Nav only available from the options list to not only keep the price down but the weight too. In fact I will be surprised if this car is offered with a complete M-drive setup that is similar to the one in the M3, else where in the world things like M-Drive and Sat/Nav are extras and in their more cost effective M I doubt it will be any different.

The thing that at a bit confusing is the projected output figures, 350hp is in my opinion is about right for the weight and the competition but the suggested 310ft/lbs of torque seems rather low considering the 2.5TFSI from Audi produces 332ft/lbs. If and when this engine gets relocated into an A3, calling itself an RS3 then surely the 1M would require more grunt to maintain a competitive edge. The only logical reason is an engine that revs north of 7000rpm thus giving it the feel of a natural aspirated engine but again I don't expect the actual figure to be this low.

Other things I question is a 6sp DCT, why do that when they already have this very engine working well with their 7sp? Such suggestions aren't logical in my mind.
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      04-09-2010, 05:14 PM   #11
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GBP 8000 more than a 135i? thats $12000. seriously?
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...Series/248736/
~$48k sounds very plausible to me for this rig. Actually, it sounds likely, as I believe they'll work to keep it under $50k base to maintain a veneer of "affordability"

A 335i coupe starts around $42k but you're up at $58k to make it an M3 coupe, just as a fun comparison. That's a $16k premium for the M car.

Dollars be damned; you know you want one. (I do!)
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The thing that at a bit confusing is the projected output figures, 350hp is in my opinion is about right for the weight and the competition but the suggested 310ft/lbs of torque seems rather low considering the 2.5TFSI from Audi produces 332ft/lbs.
Maybe it is not going to a FI engine but NA. The M5 F10 was also tested with the NA 5.5l V10, but they chose the FI 4.4l V8.
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Exactly, my 135 retail cost was $90k....

A Porsche Cayman S here costs about $155k!
That's not too bad. My 135i with options cost $130k USD in today's conversion rate here in Singapore. We prob have the most expensive cars in the world. It's a curse boy...
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That's aweful. You can buy an Aston Martin v8 vantage or an audi r8 for that kind of money here
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0-60 in 5.5? Are they high? The 135 does 0-60 faster than that... This car should do 0-60 in the 4.2-4.5 range at a minimum
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Maybe it is not going to a FI engine but NA. The M5 F10 was also tested with the NA 5.5l V10, but they chose the FI 4.4l V8.
This is very possible, I know from experience that there is quite often two possibly three engine options during a model's development of the likes of an M/RS/AMG car so it's very easy to switch preferences prior to release. If the Autocar article is true and the 1M/M1 is believed to offer no better emissions than the 135i then I could easily believe it's switched to N/A, but the only sticking point for me is the suggested amount of torque, 310ft is more than the M3 from 1000cc less, yet we are believed to think it will stick to the same high rev limit......sorry but I don't buy that. In my opinion the only reason for the low torque figure is to give a feeling of an N/A engine from a FI one.

I am convinced that the 1M/M1 will use a reworked N55 with twin turbo configuration and stop/start technology to maintain or possibly improve on the 135i's emissions of 198g/km, I am also convinced that it will rev north of 7K, possibly as high as 7700rpm but until we see the specs we not know if that opinion is right or not.
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0-60 in 5.5? Are they high? The 135 does 0-60 faster than that... This car should do 0-60 in the 4.2-4.5 range at a minimum
I think 4.5s to 60mph will be possible but only with the inclusion of the 1ft rollout.
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0-60 in 5.5? Are they high? The 135 does 0-60 faster than that... This car should do 0-60 in the 4.2-4.5 range at a minimum
Haha. BMW rates my vert at 5.5 seconds.


But the only reason that the rags got 4.7 was because of a 1 ft rollout.
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