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11-20-2018, 01:43 PM | #89 |
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My observation is that the people that have never raced and or won races like to think that Ocon did nothing wrong. Believe it or not, back markers are in NO WAY supposed to impede the race leader. He could've easily gotten DRS on the next straight. YOU DON'T race the leader when you are 1 or 2 laps down.. The reason being because if you take him out it's all on you.
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MV would not of been hindered had he not fought back in the first corner to begin with. I was kidding about giving the win to MV and of course it has never happened when it comes to something like this. Hence why most of these “punishments” are meaningless. |
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Let us hope Ocon is not in Miami !
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Because Ocon would not survive the fight (part 2) in Miami ![]() Max drove in 2009 , 50 kart races and won 49 races . And he was worldchampion with manual gearbox and automatic gearbox .
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11-20-2018, 08:05 PM | #94 | |
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After you fail at all of the above, your foot should be placed in your mouth. Of course it probably won't be and you will continue to project opinions onto me that I never stated or had, and will keep avoiding the simple question of whether Verstappen could've made a better decision for his race. Oh well, you are just too intelligent to see that Whiting's review is about rules being followed, and is not relevant to optimal racing strategy and decision making of drivers. |
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Where in my quote do I say that you have said that Ocon's punishment was incorrect? The quote you're giving is about me saying that Verstappen didnt get a punishment because his move was legit. Ocon made the mistake, NOT Verstappen. Verstappen isnt the one that should recieve a punishment. And that you think that Verstappen did made a mistake, or at least question my view that Verstappen wasn't at fault, that his move was legit, you say that right here (talking about Verstappen) Quote:
Ocon had no legit reason interfering with Verstappen's driving line. He should have backed off when his overtake attempt failed at the straight. Instead he placed his car inbetween Verstappens car and the apex of T2, resulting in the crash. This is something you only do when you're fighting for the same spot, not when you're trailing a lap. Verstappen drove the racing line and Ocon should have yielded. But he didnt.
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At the moment that Verstappen's car crashed with Ocon's car in T2, Verstappen obviously expected Ocon to brake and back off (as he should have, as the rules imply). But Ocon didnt. Its not that he thought: Ocon is driving there and I'm going to crash into him. You act as if Verstappen is clairvoyant and knew on forehand Ocon was going to break the rules deliberately and not brake for that corner.
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Thats not what I'm saying.
There was enough room even between t1 and t2 for Ocon to brake and back down. Instead Ocon decided not to. I think that as a driver you cant anticipate on everything, especially if another driver decides to deliberately break the rules. Otherwise: why would Verstappen deliberately drive into Ocon? Because thats what you're implying isnt it? What has Verstappen to gain by that?!? Last edited by GuidoK; 11-20-2018 at 10:51 PM.. |
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He thought he was going to back down, Ocon obviously didn't and here we are. AFAIK he (MV) never said he didn't see him there.
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Ocon was definitely at fault, however i also echo
What hamilton told him post race. His cockiness lost him the race, part of it is avoiding idiots on the race track. The more such mistakes he makes the lesser the chance of him being a champ |
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11-21-2018, 11:22 AM | #102 |
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Ocon was in 14th place at the time... yes he absolutely has the right to unlap himself but he had no business trying to make the pass at that time. If he was so much faster like he was saying wait for the the next DRS zone and then make the pass cleanly. As a backmarker at no time should he ever put himself in a position to affect the outcome of the race like that.
That being said Verstappen could & should have 100% avoided this. You have to both be aware of each situation and also know how to handle it. Ocon means nothing at that point in the race. He doesn't have a seat next year & has zero to lose. Even though Ocon should not have attempted that pass Verstappen has nothing to lose by letting him through. If a backmarker is going to drive like that let him have his little moment and then cruise on to the race win. Go shake his hand afterwards and then show him what the trophy looks like. And Ocon - seriously, waving for his mechanics to come help him when he got pushed a couple of times? I get it - its in his blood - but c'mon man have a little pride and stand up for yourself. Don't let someone push you like that and do nothing but put a clown face on and wave for people to come save you. I have a lot of respect for him as a person - we ran into him at our hotel during the USGP and it was awesome the way he interacted with my 5 year old son. To me how people in positions like that interact with children speaks volumes about their character & he made a couple of fans that day. Still don't let someone push you like that and do nothing. Not saying he had to go ape shit crazy on the guy but at least stop him. FYI this is from a Verstappen apologist... |
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I bet that wasn't a quarrel about where one was a lap behind. (Senna and Schumacher usually had their moments a the racestarts)
A better comparison: 1982 germany: Piquet gets taken out by Salazar while lapping him (and leading the race). Piquet goes crazy ![]() ![]() Epic images.... ![]()
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With helmets on , the fight is not fair !
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and yet......
these two lads were able to bang wheels pretty much non-stop for three and a half laps and both finished the race: Villeneuve 2nd, Arnoux 3rd. this race happened 20 years before Poiseuille Jr. was born but he has this picture on his dorm room wall...and rightly so i think. . |
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