Autobild Overall Verdict: BMW 1M Beats Porsche Cayman R

[Robert]

Originally Posted by WAY

Perfect time to post Advevo's balls of steel Ring video. (please don't try this at home, Advevo is a racing driver).

Yes, gives tingles to my back. 1M doesn't sound nearly as good No words describe the excitement in the showdown between GT3 and Advevo in his 911 -??? (edit GT3). In the end it's a driver's race, 90% of the time. The machines are great, 1M & Cayman R. The weakest point is the driver.

[Grey Dove]

Originally Posted by hwelvaar

Watched the vid. Quite awesome driving skills, quite awesome car, taking over everyone on the track.
Then what happens in the last 30 secs? The Porsche is taken over by an M3

My guess, the M3 was always right behind!

Furthermore i think those two guys know each other.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by gs/e60/1m?

My guess, the M3 was always right behind!

Furthermore i think those two guys know each other.

Well like this?

[skyphab]

Nevertheless, two great cars. If you need 4 seats, you won't consider the R if you don't and have the money for the R why not buy the R. Of course, some poeple would buy the 1M over the R but there arer others that wouldn't. So it balances out in the end.

And yeah, the Cayman R is not a real R and the 1M is not a real M. We've had this discussion already 1 zillion times

Originally Posted by hwelvaar

Then what happens in the last 30 secs? The Porsche is taken over by an M3

I guess the M3 was pushing in his back "LET ME PASS I CAN GO FASTER" then he let him pass and found himself behind an driving obstacle and went

[skyphab]

since we're speaking of lap times. Just read from the ones in Hockenheim:

1M: 1:14.1
M3 E92: 1:14.0
TT RS: 1:15.0
Cayman S: 1:14.3
Cayman R: 1:12.4

http://www.bimmertoday.de/2011/04/23...er-verstummen/

So: I think the best thing is that the 1M beat the M3. Somehow forseen, but somehow not. It also beats the Cayman S, but the TT RS loses nearly one second. I didn't expect that.

Cayman R, well. different story.

Just came back from driving a Cayman S with sport bucket seats. That seats are a biiig different story

[MrRoboto]

Also noticed that the E46 M3 CSL was 1:13.50.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by skyphab

since we're speaking of lap times. Just read from the ones in Hockenheim:

1M: 1:14.1
M3 E92: 1:14.0
TT RS: 1:15.0
Cayman S: 1:14.3
Cayman R: 1:12.4

http://www.bimmertoday.de/2011/04/23...er-verstummen/

So: I think the best thing is that the 1M beat the M3. Somehow forseen, but somehow not. It also beats the Cayman S, but the TT RS loses nearly one second. I didn't expect that.

Cayman R, well. different story.

Just came back from driving a Cayman S with sport bucket seats. That seats are a biiig different story

Don't forget the M3 was on Cup tyres wasn't it? Cayman R was PDK. TTRS manual time is 1:14.3 in it's test against the Cayman S Facelift manual where it did 1:14.0

[graider]

just based on the pic alone, i have to say the prefer the look of the 1m over the cayman r. LOL

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by YVES1M

Price guys! Price!!!!, a ferrari out performs the 1 m, but it,s moreeeeeeeee money!!!

That's undeniable.

Seem many journalists really like the 1M and that's great!
It's one heck of fine automobile for a relatively decent price.
But then be clearer on what an actual "winner" really means when doing a performance comparison.

After decades of reading auto comparisons and performance reviews, it's clear that one has to take these reviews and comparisons with some realization that the writers or publishers have their own likes and dislikes as we all do. The hard numbers are tangible and hopefully repeatable so that if one chooses based on quantitative data, then it's their option to do so. At the same time, if one makes a decision based on their own preferences, then that too is valid.
My last 2 cars before my 135i were not the fastest cars in their price category, but I made my decision based on how I connected with the machine and the overall driving satisfaction that that car gave me to it out on the road.

If you're a quantitative numbers guy the data is there. If you're a qualitative personal driving experience guy, then do your reading, but then do the driving and decide for yourself.
I don't read that any of these cars actually suck. So we all win.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Diver

From the summary it sounds like the Porsche won. Not that fair of a test considering the difference in price would justify a comparison with an M3.

True, but some are saying the 1M is better than the M3.
So if this reviewer compared the closer in cost M3 to the Cayman R, I wonder what would happen?

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by EmmDrei

I don't define potential, physics do. There is a physical limit for a car and you are either capable of driving close to that limit or not. If a driver has the ability to do so, then he will drive a corner differently on his way to work, than a driver that has no idea what his car can do, how to get it to its limit AND (most important) how to bring it back in one piece. And a driver that cannot get near that limit can simply not judge the car. Because in the end he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. You can buy the bicycle of last years Tour de France winner. Will it make you win the Tour de France? No. You'll need more. But if you start blaming it on the bike, that you didn't win, then you have the typical situation in most car forums. The engineers build 100%. Their testers can drive that and then Joe "limited capability" Bloe comes along and decides, that he will judge their product. Great. Rather... not. If you ever get the chance to sit next to a professional racer, then you'll understand what I mean. Those guys are the benchmark. And if we talk about cars that push the limits of physics, then you either have a trained and capable driver or not. If you need a DSC to survive, then your car is better than you and then you're not using the full potential of your car. Quite simple.

Well said, this is very true.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Well you are definitely correct on the 997... Man.. I've driven those on track and it's like the car is schizophrenic... Enter a corner and it pushes like hell.. then go to exit the corner and add power after the apex and the back tries to lead the front. Awful. you definitely have to LEARN to drive a 911.

I do think that that's part of the appeal to real drivers as they want to tame that which is inherently, almost, un-tameable.
That then becomes a badge of honor for the less capable majority RWD 911 owners who think that because they own the same tool as the pro, or highly skilled driver, they too have earned the skill by simply owning one.

It's been stated before, the majority of Porsche owners probably don't ever drive near that limit in any handling sense. Most, surely exploit the explosive straight line acceleration a rear heavy, rear drive offers.
But most of us can stomp the loud pedal to the floor and hold the steering wheel straight.
That's not 10/10ths driving.

[e90pilot]

I think comparisons get a little too subjective sometimes. They need to make more statements like this: "If you like 'A' characteristic you will like 'X' car." Reviewers need to focus on what different people will like as well as their personal taste.

[Redadair]

I am loving the great reviews of the 1M starting to flow in. I is a very deserving car in every way and is sure to continue to get great reviews as time goes on.

Boys and Girls, to all who are buying one, we have made the right choice on the 1M!

[jksgoh]

Not top sure if you did this or not but when I use this sort of tape i put quite firm pressure (eg i will lean on it) on it and hold it for a few mins.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by skyphab

since we're speaking of lap times. Just read from the ones in Hockenheim:

1M: 1:14.1
M3 E92: 1:14.0
TT RS: 1:15.0
Cayman S: 1:14.3
Cayman R: 1:12.4

So: I think the best thing is that the 1M beat the M3.

How is 1:14.1 "beating" 1:14.0 ?

[DiavelM3]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

How is 1:14.1 "beating" 1:14.0 ?

It's the new Math
Or should I say, Mathe

[arctic330i]

[MrRoboto]

Is it me or has the Sport Auto time for the E92 M3 DCT been deleted? If i recall the time was slower then the 1M. Interesting.

[EmmDrei]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

How is 1:14.1 "beating" 1:14.0 ?

I wish you guys would stop bending facts and spreading legends! Screenshot from the SportAuto website, just taken:



1.14,3

Fast enough for you?

The direct link to the SportAuto web page.

AND...

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SPORTAUTO TEST FOR THE 1M ON THE NORDSCHLEIFE SO FAR. SO THERE IS NO LAP TIME FOR THE NORDSCHLEIFE YET. Everything else is urban legend and a bunch of rumors. NOTHING ELSE.

Sorry... this shit is really killing me!

[Daniel135i]

If this shit is killing you, then why do you frequent and post, just ignore it.

[ebeem]

nice review

officially the 1M won (by points,considering facts like price etc)

but inofficially the Cayman R won...

if you put 2 cars aside and use them for what they are advertised ( sports car,good handling etc)
then you will 100% for sure say the P-car is "better"

I myself love BMW,but since I`ve driven the (midengine) Cayman S (+1400kg) I know that this one is simply on another level concerning the handling,brakes and feedback to the driver...

I myself would take the 1 //M over the Pcar though since most of the time I`m driving I don`t even have the chance to take it to the limits ( I mean real limits,not just fast driving)