BMW 1-series Tii concept coupe revealed!!! The next ///M1?

imported_MPower · 11-09-2007, 10:36 AM

God damn. Even when you put the money down, they wont let you leave the lot without some salesman in it. Hell, when my MINI first came in, I drove down specifically to test drive this particular car to make sure that there were no problems and that everything ran smoothly. It took 15 minutes of bickering to convince the salesman that I could test drive my car (that I had them snag from another dealership) before I bought it.

I do remember that GM did this 24 hour test drive promotion. I loved the idea but I dont think you can do it anymore.

Mike Roberts · 11-09-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Schnell330i

awesome stuff!! But whats the edited price for a tii in US $??

Erm, I can't compare directly - but a 335i is the equivalent of $70,000 over here. I think you pay around $41,000 for one? Obviously the % difference will change as you get cheaper, but if a tii here is the equivalent of $50,000, say $30,000 over there??

Imola.ZHP · 11-09-2007, 11:00 AM

MPower - I think it just depends on the dealership's rules. Every dealership is probably different and has different level's of insurance to cover such test drives...

I'd love to take a 135i for a weekend or overnight when they come in, but I bet they will be going out quite quick for the first year. Plus, I wouldnt want to buy the one I take home ;P I'd want to oder one exactly how I want it, plus do ED...

Genericuser1 · 11-09-2007, 11:02 AM

While I'm sure a turbo for and lighter weight might make some here happy I don't get the idea of a slower but better handling car that will cost more than a 135i. Why not just up the boost on the TT6, add an LSD, reduce the weight and do the race inspired stuff we see in the Tii and call it a day?

Imola.ZHP · 11-09-2007, 11:13 AM

^ that'd be my plan...

I've done the high-reving 4cyl before, not a bosted one, but still, I love the smoothness of the I6...

Mike Roberts · 11-09-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd

While I'm sure a turbo for and lighter weight might make some here happy I don't get the idea of a slower but better handling car that will cost more than a 135i. Why not just up the boost on the TT6, add an LSD, reduce the weight and do the race inspired stuff we see in the Tii and call it a day?

It's not more expensive, a 135i is 16% more than the tii is going to cost over here.

aesthetect · 11-09-2007, 02:35 PM

how do you know how much a tii is going to cost? or that they are definitely going to make one for that matter?

Mike Roberts · 11-09-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aesthetect

how do you know how much a tii is going to cost? or that they are definitely going to make one for that matter?

Hi, skip back a page for the full story - this is approximate info that BMW have given me so far, but a decent guideline.

Mike.

blacknbean · 11-09-2007, 05:10 PM

this is great news. lighter, cheaper, turbo 4 banger..cant wait. i really hope it comes to the US..the only thing that sux now is the wait for the 135i is still months away and already another wait begins

phattbam · 11-09-2007, 07:25 PM

dont want to rain anyone's parade yet. but CSL was offered over there and we never saw it here on US soil. just a negative thought.

Mike Roberts · 11-10-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by phattbam

dont want to rain anyone's parade yet. but CSL was offered over there and we never saw it here on US soil. just a negative thought.

Aw - if it helps, I'd kill for a RHD Dodge Challenger..

You send us the bloody PT cruiser and the Chrysler Neon though!....I thought we were friends?

phattbam · 11-10-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Roberts

Aw - if it helps, I'd kill for a RHD Dodge Challenger..

You send us the bloody PT cruiser and the Chrysler Neon though!....I thought we were friends?

you can have the RHD Challenger, compliments from me. :drinking:

Brandon26pdx · 11-10-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Roberts

Aw - if it helps, I'd kill for a RHD Dodge Challenger..

You send us the bloody PT cruiser and the Chrysler Neon though!....I thought we were friends?

haha

investor27 · 11-10-2007, 02:51 PM

[quote=Mike Roberts[/quote]

Thanks for the post, Mike. Unfortunately, a 4 cylinder car (turbo or not) is not going to be released here in the US. BMW is adamant that they will not be bringing over a 4 cylinder car for the US market.

I was hoping for the 120D or the 123D to get here, but BMW seems to belief that there are no interests for 4 badger cars here in the US market. And that's a shame.

Brandon26pdx · 11-10-2007, 03:01 PM

I doubt we'll see a turbo 4 banger version over here as well, but I would be suprised if they didn't offer some sort of Tii or CSL edition above the 135i before too long.

phattbam · 11-10-2007, 03:02 PM

That'd be nice. possibly a CSL with a gutted interior plus CF goodies for lightweight enjoyment for track sessions.

Mike Roberts · 11-10-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by investor27

Thanks for the post, Mike. Unfortunately, a 4 cylinder car (turbo or not) is not going to be released here in the US. BMW is adamant that they will not be bringing over a 4 cylinder car for the US market.

I was hoping for the 120D or the 123D to get here, but BMW seems to belief that there are no interests for 4 badger cars here in the US market. And that's a shame.

Sadly for you, I think European car makers assume all Americans are only interested in is big displacement 6 & 8 pots.... which is fine, if you only travel in a straight line. Time and time again it has been proven over here that a neutral handling, lower powered 4pot can lap faster than a big understeering thumper on a track. So they make for better driver's cars in the real world... BHP isn't everything.

imported_MPower · 11-10-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by investor27

Thanks for the post, Mike. Unfortunately, a 4 cylinder car (turbo or not) is not going to be released here in the US. BMW is adamant that they will not be bringing over a 4 cylinder car for the US market.

Gee, I wonder why. Before speculations on this car, the most powerful petrol four-banger BMW had was the 2.0 liter I4 found in the 120i, 320i, and 520i. Certainly, a 170 horsepower Bimmer probably wont cut it in terms of image for BMW. But I think you will agree that this changes when you make a dedicated sports car with 240+ horsepower.

phattbam · 11-10-2007, 08:04 PM

Mike. I sent you a PM. please check it and let me know. thanks

Genericuser1 · 11-10-2007, 11:19 PM

Well now if the Tii is cheaper then there is something. I just kinda assumed it was an M1 in all but in name and therefore would carry an M price.

dna550 · 11-14-2007, 04:17 PM

BMW 1-Series
Tokyo show 2007: BMW TII concept

Uncompromising 1-Series TII concept influenced by classic ’70S BMWs

By Harry Metcalfe
14th November 2007

British designer Kevin Rice was on hand at Tokyo to talk us through his latest project at BMW, the stunning 1-series tii concept car.

According to Rice, the idea of creating a stripped-out 1-series has been kicking around at BMW for a while, with the super-stiff three-box model (which was planned from the start of 1-series development) being viewed as the ideal starting point.

Sat on the BMW stand at the show, the tii looks amazing, production-ready even. I ask Rice how much work had gone into creating it.

‘It was really easy,’ he replies. ‘The front and rear bumpers are all new, the sills are different, and the bonnet was created in carbonfibre. This was done for two reasons: it saves 15kg compared to a standard item and it also recreates the black-bonnet look common on cars like this in the ’70s – cars like the BMW 2002 tii, in fact.’

More work has been done inside to emphasise that this is a true drivers’ car. The standard seats have been ditched in favour of a pair of winged Recaros, the dash now sports a white-faced rev-counter complete with oil temperature gauge, and Alcantara is everywhere, maximising the driver’s grip and minimising reflections. The footwells, meanwhile, are lined with a new textile that gives a similar appearance to the carbonfibre components.

For the driver’s side of the cabin there’s a subtle blue theme, with blue stitching for the seat and door insert, plus a blue seat-belt. The passenger, on the other hand, gets silver seat-belts and stitching and not much else – even the passenger-side electric window can only be operated from the driving seat.

Unfortunately there’s no word as to what’s under the bonnet, or whether the tii will go into production.

‘We’re not saying anything about engines yet,’ says Rice. ‘This is a BMW AG car, not an M-car, so it will not have the six-cylinder M Power engine. We will see what the reaction is to this concept first, but it could be the six-cylinder twin-turbo engine from the 135i or, alternatively, a turbo four-cylinder, like the ultimate version of the original 2002 had.’

So BMW is going to build it then?

‘No comment.’

LeifW · 11-15-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dna550

BMW 1-Series
Tokyo show 2007: BMW TII concept

‘We’re not saying anything about engines yet,’ says Rice. ‘This is a BMW AG car, not an M-car, so it will not have the six-cylinder M Power engine. We will see what the reaction is to this concept first, but it could be the six-cylinder twin-turbo engine from the 135i or, alternatively, a turbo four-cylinder, like the ultimate version of the original 2002 had.’

YESSSS!!!! There is hope for a high performance 4 cyl engine. What would really suck is if BMW makes the car and then doesn't bring it to the U.S.

Leif W.

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imported_MPower Zoom Zoom 38 Rep 1,069 Posts Drives: 2022 M3 6MT Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	God damn. Even when you put the money down, they wont let you leave the lot without some salesman in it. Hell, when my MINI first came in, I drove down specifically to test drive this particular car to make sure that there were no problems and that everything ran smoothly. It took 15 minutes of bickering to convince the salesman that I could test drive my car (that I had them snag from another dealership) before I bought it. I do remember that GM did this 24 hour test drive promotion. I loved the idea but I dont think you can do it anymore. __________________ In the garage: 2022 G80 M3 Manual - Portimao Blue
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Imola.ZHP Colonel 129 Rep 2,218 Posts Drives: 2014 BMW i3 BEV EE Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mud Island, TN iTrader: (0)	MPower - I think it just depends on the dealership's rules. Every dealership is probably different and has different level's of insurance to cover such test drives... I'd love to take a 135i for a weekend or overnight when they come in, but I bet they will be going out quite quick for the first year. Plus, I wouldnt want to buy the one I take home ;P I'd want to oder one exactly how I want it, plus do ED... __________________ - 2014 CPO i01 BEV Electronaut Edition Capparis White Tera World, '17- - 2015 CPO i01 BEV Laurel Grey Tera World, '17- - 2015 i01 REx Laurel Grey Tera World, '15-'17 - 2003 CPO 330i ZHP Imola Red Build 03/03/03, '06-'15
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Genericuser1 Captain 22 Rep 661 Posts Drives: M3 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa iTrader: (0)	While I'm sure a turbo for and lighter weight might make some here happy I don't get the idea of a slower but better handling car that will cost more than a 135i. Why not just up the boost on the TT6, add an LSD, reduce the weight and do the race inspired stuff we see in the Tii and call it a day?
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Imola.ZHP Colonel 129 Rep 2,218 Posts Drives: 2014 BMW i3 BEV EE Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mud Island, TN iTrader: (0)	^ that'd be my plan... I've done the high-reving 4cyl before, not a bosted one, but still, I love the smoothness of the I6... __________________ - 2014 CPO i01 BEV Electronaut Edition Capparis White Tera World, '17- - 2015 CPO i01 BEV Laurel Grey Tera World, '17- - 2015 i01 REx Laurel Grey Tera World, '15-'17 - 2003 CPO 330i ZHP Imola Red Build 03/03/03, '06-'15
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blacknbean Major 14 Rep 1,044 Posts Drives: e92 335i 6MT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LA iTrader: (2)	this is great news. lighter, cheaper, turbo 4 banger..cant wait. i really hope it comes to the US..the only thing that sux now is the wait for the 135i is still months away and already another wait begins
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phattbam Major General 180 Rep 5,822 Posts Drives: '17 Protonic Blue i3 REx Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sf area iTrader: (21)	dont want to rain anyone's parade yet. but CSL was offered over there and we never saw it here on US soil. just a negative thought.
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investor27 Private First Class 22 Rep 169 Posts Drives: 2023 BMW X3 M40i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California iTrader: (0)	[quote=Mike Roberts[/quote] Thanks for the post, Mike. Unfortunately, a 4 cylinder car (turbo or not) is not going to be released here in the US. BMW is adamant that they will not be bringing over a 4 cylinder car for the US market. I was hoping for the 120D or the 123D to get here, but BMW seems to belief that there are no interests for 4 badger cars here in the US market. And that's a shame.
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Brandon26pdx Lieutenant Colonel 28 Rep 1,938 Posts Drives: 2011 135i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (1)	I doubt we'll see a turbo 4 banger version over here as well, but I would be suprised if they didn't offer some sort of Tii or CSL edition above the 135i before too long.
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phattbam Major General 180 Rep 5,822 Posts Drives: '17 Protonic Blue i3 REx Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sf area iTrader: (21)	That'd be nice. possibly a CSL with a gutted interior plus CF goodies for lightweight enjoyment for track sessions.
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Genericuser1 Captain 22 Rep 661 Posts Drives: M3 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa iTrader: (0)	Well now if the Tii is cheaper then there is something. I just kinda assumed it was an M1 in all but in name and therefore would carry an M price.
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dna550 Lieutenant 38 Rep 442 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jul 2007 iTrader: (0)	EVO tii Concept BMW 1-Series Tokyo show 2007: BMW TII concept Uncompromising 1-Series TII concept influenced by classic ’70S BMWs By Harry Metcalfe 14th November 2007 British designer Kevin Rice was on hand at Tokyo to talk us through his latest project at BMW, the stunning 1-series tii concept car. According to Rice, the idea of creating a stripped-out 1-series has been kicking around at BMW for a while, with the super-stiff three-box model (which was planned from the start of 1-series development) being viewed as the ideal starting point. Sat on the BMW stand at the show, the tii looks amazing, production-ready even. I ask Rice how much work had gone into creating it. ‘It was really easy,’ he replies. ‘The front and rear bumpers are all new, the sills are different, and the bonnet was created in carbonfibre. This was done for two reasons: it saves 15kg compared to a standard item and it also recreates the black-bonnet look common on cars like this in the ’70s – cars like the BMW 2002 tii, in fact.’ More work has been done inside to emphasise that this is a true drivers’ car. The standard seats have been ditched in favour of a pair of winged Recaros, the dash now sports a white-faced rev-counter complete with oil temperature gauge, and Alcantara is everywhere, maximising the driver’s grip and minimising reflections. The footwells, meanwhile, are lined with a new textile that gives a similar appearance to the carbonfibre components. For the driver’s side of the cabin there’s a subtle blue theme, with blue stitching for the seat and door insert, plus a blue seat-belt. The passenger, on the other hand, gets silver seat-belts and stitching and not much else – even the passenger-side electric window can only be operated from the driving seat. Unfortunately there’s no word as to what’s under the bonnet, or whether the tii will go into production. ‘We’re not saying anything about engines yet,’ says Rice. ‘This is a BMW AG car, not an M-car, so it will not have the six-cylinder M Power engine. We will see what the reaction is to this concept first, but it could be the six-cylinder twin-turbo engine from the 135i or, alternatively, a turbo four-cylinder, like the ultimate version of the original 2002 had.’ So BMW is going to build it then? ‘No comment.’
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