NO DCT - 1M-Coupe !!!

[Madozu]

Originally Posted by GaryS

If you give me a Ferrari with automatic transmission, I will sell it. Sorry if that offends you.

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... and with the money I'll buy the same Ferrari with a manual

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by Madozu

+1

... and with the money I'll buy the same Ferrari with a manual

You'd better be quick then, as Ferrari have already stated that the California will be the last Ferrari to be available with a traditional manual gearbox, and Lamborghini have also stated earlier this year that they will also be dropping the option of a manual gearbox.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Madozu

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... and with the money I'll buy the same Ferrari with a manual

I believe the 458 is only available with the 7 speed Dual Clutch...and it has a E-diff at that. A car that is faster than the Enzo due in part to it's DCT. Is nothing to scoff at...the GT-R and the 997.2 Turbo all ave faster times due to their DCTs, the Turbo's 0-60 in 2.8 secs---WTF? Sorry, to me the faster time speaks volumes.

As I said before, this isn't about egos. If it's faster get it. No shame in doing that, technology has moved the game further, if by some people's logic, running carbs on a car, gives one a "better feel" than Fuel Injection. And I remember my dad talking about the F.I. System on his 164, which was one of the first electronic FI systems on the market---some had scoffed at it, because it was problematic---well now they are standard on all cars and then there is Direct Injection...


And for the person not thinking a 550 with AMG kit is a upgrade over a S2000...hmmm, the S2000 is a great car, but that 550 rocks

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

And for the person not thinking a 550 with AMG kit is a upgrade over a S2000...hmmm, the S2000 is a great car, but that 550 rocks

Funny, my neighbor drives an E350 with the sport package, it's a nice car, but has as much in common with an S2000 as my M Coupe has in common with the UPS truck that just pulled up. Both do their job fine, but that job is very different. One I would drive, the other I would sell and buy something more appropriate for my needs and desires, which are different than what can be delivered by a two pedal car.

Part of driving enjoyment for me is being involved, and two pedal cars miss out on that entirely. If this means I'm stuck driving cars built before 2012 or whatever, so be it. I can think of worse things than "old" GT3 RS's, F40's, McLaren F1's and even lowly S2000's.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Funny, my neighbor drives an E350 with the sport package, it's a nice car, but has as much in common with an S2000 as my M Coupe has in common with the UPS truck that just pulled up. Both do their job fine, but that job is very different. One I would drive, the other I would sell and buy something more appropriate for my needs and desires, which are different than what can be delivered by a two pedal car.

Part of driving enjoyment for me is being involved, and two pedal cars miss out on that entirely. If this means I'm stuck driving cars built before 2012 or whatever, so be it. I can think of worse things than "old" GT3 RS's, F40's, McLaren F1's and even lowly S2000's.

My mother has a 2009 E350 with AMG Sport Package, she bought it as retirement gift, it suits her needs. A V6 with stylish looks. The 550 is a very different animal, and she is coming from a Lincoln Town Car, which as anybody who has ever driven one knows, is a BOAT, land yacht, etc, no feel, touchy brakes, and you don't feel any bumps. It was a BIG adjustment for my mother. The suspension to her and the ride is worse in the E350.

Now, that is just a E350, which doesn't come with air suspension, which the E550 does, and the AMG sport package. No the ride will not be like the S2000, which is a sports car, but he likes the V8, plus it soaks up the Baltimore and DC evil potholes (I had $1000+ front end suspension work done after they stripped Georgia Ave and hit a pothole covered in rainwater).

And as I said, Balt and DC traffic is horrendous. I think LA traffic is #1, but DC is #2 and Balt #3, so add the two together. Sux, if you go out for a quick 5 minute drive to CVS, and you are stuck in a hours worth of traffic---ain't no Sour Patch Kids, Starbucks Mocha Frap, and a Muscular Development Magazine worth that...

That being said, one said on Autospies that he knew what the 'Ring was like, because he could "feel" the curves on a video Game...sometimes the real thing is a lot better, I wonder if he feels the same about a real girlfriend vs Porn?

[Red Bread]

I moved here from Laguna Beach and commuted to LA. I don't mind driving a manual in traffic, and I've had two arthroscopic knee surgeries (for soccer injuries). I don't find times that I wish I didn't have to deal with a clutch, but when driving an auto, I do find that I miss the control, nor do I find air suspension to be enjoyable in anything I've driven that has it, from an old 300 SEL 6.3 (uhr AMG) to the Cayenne and A8. But whatever, we're talking about totally different cars, and all of them are quite good at their purposes, I personally just don't want one type, and love the other. Carry on.

[E82tt6]

Honestly, heel/toe is too much fun for me. I'll probably always check off the "manual" box.

[Zoli007]

So is this fully official now? I had hoped to pick up the M1 for my wife and she doesnt drive stick. Why not for me? I've got my E39 M5 which Im in love with and I want the wife to have a fun car too. Shame it wont come DCT.

I can drive manual quite well and though there is some disconect with the DCT it is a hell of a good transmission. I do love manual gearboxes but have never been that thrilled with BMW's 'boxes. Porsche is a completely different story. For sure that would be a manual only car for me.

[saeyedoc]

Originally Posted by Zoli007

Porsche is a completely different story. For sure that would be a manual only car for me.

I drove mostly MT for many years, but haven't had one for almost a decade now. I've been getting bored of driving my 335i Step and test drove a Cayman MT the other day.
Started to realize very quickly what I've been missing and the Porsche gear box /clutch was very easy to use. I had almost dismissed getting back into a MT considering the traffic I drive in most days, but the MT is just so much more engaging and the clutch was smooth enough that I think it would be worth the tradeoff.
The sound that car makes at FT in 3rd is addicting. I was pleasantly surprised at how quick it felt, considering how much less HP/torque it has then the 335, even considering the weight difference. Can only imagine how fun the Cayman S would be.
Seriously considering finding a CPO Cayman S to replace my 335, instead of a new 135i with DCT I've been considering.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by saeyedoc

I drove mostly MT for many years, but haven't had one for almost a decade now. I've been getting bored of driving my 335i Step and test drove a Cayman MT the other day.
Started to realize very quickly what I've been missing and the Porsche gear box /clutch was very easy to use. I had almost dismissed getting back into a MT considering the traffic I drive in most days, but the MT is just so much more engaging and the clutch was smooth enough that I think it would be worth the tradeoff.
The sound that car makes at FT in 3rd is addicting. I was pleasantly surprised at how quick it felt, considering how much less HP/torque it has then the 335, even considering the weight difference. Can only imagine how fun the Cayman S would be.
Seriously considering finding a CPO Cayman S to replace my 335, instead of a new 135i with DCT I've been considering.

You should test drive a 135 with DCT. It's night and day comparison to a 335 with slush. You would need to sneak in a golf tee as well, since sound is important to you.

[Ox]

Originally Posted by Madozu

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... and with the money I'll buy the same Ferrari with a manual

Nah, I wouldn't sell it. I'd keep it, give it to my Mom. She could drive the automatic back and forth to Target, the grocery store or bingo night.

[Jaguar66]

Originally Posted by saeyedoc

Can only imagine how fun the Cayman S would be.
Seriously considering finding a CPO Cayman S to replace my 335, instead of a new 135i with DCT I've been considering.

It is a fun car. I have an '07 CS in my garage. Not as much torque as the 135i, but steering and handling are the best on any car I have ever driven.

[compact]

For me its MT, sure DCT can make quicker changes and will get you to 60 miles (or here we have 100 KM) quicker etc etc but its the interaction/fun you have with the car that does it for me its you who's in control, part of the car, not simply the operator of a system, to each there own...

[1SerieStud]

Glad to see BMW is reserving this machine for the true driving enthusiast I honestly don't care if they skip DCT for their entire line of cars for eternity lol

[southlight]

Keep it clean, guys.


Best regards,
south

[HBspeed]

Originally Posted by GaryS

If you give me a Ferrari with automatic transmission, I will sell it. Sorry if that offends you.

Only reservation would be an Enzo or its upcoming replacement since its not optional and they are legendary cars.

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by maxnix

Ah, a truly ignorant remark! 6MT is good, DCT is just plain better in terms of functioning. Even Michael Schumacher's work ride has one, and you are not a better driver than he!

Says the DCT driver - big surprise lol. Never claimed to be better than him, but your opinion of DCT being better is just as valid as my opinion of 6MT being better. I stick to mine, and apparently, BMW deemed the 1M too good for the DCT

By the way, has it ever crossed your mind that many who buy the DCT do so out of commodity for not having to deal with a clutch? I'm positive that not every one of Schumacher's cars are auto/dct equipped!

[ORIGIN M.]

You make a lot of assumptions...

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

Never claimed to be better than him, but your opinion of DCT being better is just as valid as my opinion of 6MT being better. I stick to mine, and apparently, BMW deemed the 1M too good for the DCT

By the way, has it ever crossed your mind that many who buy the DCT do so out of commodity for not having to deal with a clutch? I'm positive that not every one of Schumacher's cars are auto/dct equipped!

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

You make a lot of assumptions...

Not sure what's so funny about my previous statement, which is not an assumption. I'm quite convinced that one of the best drivers known to mankind has not chosen to completely stay away from what many of us consider to be the most fun, driver-involved form of driving there is.

Ok, I've put more than enough effort into this tread. Your lament is not worth my attention, so I will let you continue to complain about BMW's decision while I go celebrate elsewhere. I think they made a great move, the 1M's will sell like hotcakes, and trust me, your opinion won't matter to the production of the car

I'm out!

[GaryS]

I'll just leave this here.

[ORIGIN M.]

It is a matter of people having a choice, not finding fault as to why another chooses what they choose.

I'd much rather have a boosted car have DCT, and maybe Mr. Michael Schumacher just prefers to focus on the road, rather than removing his hand from the wheel, just to shiift...

It's in understandable M-DCT is not cheap, but neither is a bloody 1er in the first place. Standard DCT is better than nothing.

It is turning out to be a super duper 135IS IMO, but I'm hoping they will suprise us all, and make it more than what it apprears to be, nothing more than a quasi m-car.

Maybe they will take the time to run different fuel pumps at least!

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by GaryS

I'll just leave this here.

Where's the "girl" slush?