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You are a bunch of wimps. I am 55 years old, with arthritis, and commute in horrible Los Angeles traffic daily. I am waiting to find out when I can place my deposit for a MT 1M.
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Many of the people, who have grown up, if they do have something like a s2000, it's a second car for the weekend. Driving manual is fun and enjoyable, but sitting in a traffic jam is a waste, like having a big breasted girlfriend, but you can't get the bra off...you can't fully exploit it. I learned how to drive stick in a 1975 Volvo 164 (my dads) which had a 3.0 I6 and also a 67 Impala SS. Loved my Aunt's 280Z, and love my friend's RS4, E36 M3, but even they don't drive them to work in DC. Plus, when you have Ferrari, which is far more known as more driver focused than BMW, produce the 458 with a 7 speed Dual Clutch, with faster shifts, and the 599 GTO and the 599xx, and FXX as well, hmmm, faster shifts, both hands on wheel, just maybe they know that there is more to driving than satisfying a person ego...it's not a matter of not knowing how to drive a stick, it comes down to which is faster, for them. By your logic, a 6 shooter is better than semi-auto...in a gun fight, which would you rather have? |
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No DCT means I won't be buying this car..what a shame
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I dont agree. I've had my '04 S2000 for six years now and have my mix of bumper to bumper and highway. It is a PITA but it wont deter me from a MT. I understand people want a choice but you have to be realistic here. THIS CAR IS ONE THEY DID NOT HAVE TO MAKE. Look at the percentage of 1er sales in comparison to the 3er. Scott is saying 18mos production. That is beyond tiny.
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6MT with CDV?
Even bigger question...will the 6MT have a CDV? If yes, then there would be a strong argument that BMW's decisions to market the 1M as a return to pure "feeling" M car is a bunch of BS. think about it...
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I'm much more disappointed by the engine choice than by the lack of DCT. Long live manual transmissions!
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It would be nice to have a choice, but as noted, the DCT is coming. I'm just happy there's a 1M, period! The 6MT was the choice for my 1-er and it would have been the same choice even if the DCT were available for the 2010 model.
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I am not sure you can conclude the DCT will come, it sounds like it all depends on outcome. The discontinuance of the DCT also portends the possibility of the 1M, not having the N55 twin turbo, which was to be a special version of the N55 twin scroll engine. The rumors of it having an N54 twin turbo (like in the 335is) are now beginning to make sense. As discussed here. http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415588 I for one, am starting to believe that BMW will attempt to save more money, and continue to use off the shelf parts for the 1M (like M3 suspension parts), and drop the N54 motor into it. Lets hope I am wrong
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I am assuming you mean you could not care less. A common misstatement. From Wikipedia Quote:
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We are looking at a life span of just over 2 years for the 1M , the only reason for the go-ahead was to produce something that can be made quickly by using off the shelf parts.
I'm really shocked and underwhelmed at that comment above. This way of thinking doesn't bode well for a true M version of the 1 series. It sounds more like, "Let's get what we can out of how popular the 1 series has been, cause we didn't really expect this much interest." Short run, easy and quick to make off the shelf cobbled together "M" car. No thanks. I'm much more interested in what BMW will do in the next 1 series. At least they've had time to work on it and tweak and test and go back and redo it again. The current 1 has it's flaws and BMW may actually take the time and effort to come with a really refined, new 1 series. Not having a DCT option is yet another indicator of the lack of sincerity for building a true 1M. I'm a manual guy, but at this point in high tech automotive design, a DCT is a must. |
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