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      08-28-2010, 05:55 PM   #23
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It's just means fewer people who you know will be able to drive your car. Has worked with my manual MINI for over 6 years.
lol, exactly

sux for the people who dont want a MT but for me, I could careless. I just fear the day when they wont offer a MT
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      08-28-2010, 06:08 PM   #24
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You are a bunch of wimps. I am 55 years old, with arthritis, and commute in horrible Los Angeles traffic daily. I am waiting to find out when I can place my deposit for a MT 1M.
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      08-28-2010, 06:14 PM   #25
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No offense Escobar, but WTF does "I could careless" mean?
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      08-28-2010, 06:23 PM   #26
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I drove a manual for 2 years in Los Angeles traffic. My 40 minute commute was 1.5-2 hours daily (one way). It was tiring, but I never once wished I had an anything else. You see all those Honda S2000's on the road every day? Every single one of those are a manual. I don't remember anyone ever wishing Honda made the S2000 with an alternate transmission.

I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to want DCT, but if this car is as great as BMW makes it out to be, does it really matter? The only people who will truly be upset are those who don't know how to drive a manual.
I live in Annapolis, which is right between DC and Baltimore, dude I know a few yrs back drove a S2000, on his first day at a new job in DC he was stuck in traffic 3 hours, and then beach traffic (Ocean City, MD) for 4.5 hours, and he was even going to the beach. He promptly got rid of that car for a E550 (yeah, upgrade---came with the good government job).
Many of the people, who have grown up, if they do have something like a s2000, it's a second car for the weekend. Driving manual is fun and enjoyable, but sitting in a traffic jam is a waste, like having a big breasted girlfriend, but you can't get the bra off...you can't fully exploit it.



I learned how to drive stick in a 1975 Volvo 164 (my dads) which had a 3.0 I6 and also a 67 Impala SS. Loved my Aunt's 280Z, and love my friend's RS4, E36 M3, but even they don't drive them to work in DC.

Plus, when you have Ferrari, which is far more known as more driver focused than BMW, produce the 458 with a 7 speed Dual Clutch, with faster shifts, and the 599 GTO and the 599xx, and FXX as well, hmmm, faster shifts, both hands on wheel, just maybe they know that there is more to driving than satisfying a person ego...it's not a matter of not knowing how to drive a stick, it comes down to which is faster, for them.

By your logic, a 6 shooter is better than semi-auto...in a gun fight, which would you rather have?
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      08-28-2010, 06:57 PM   #27
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I live in Annapolis, which is right between DC and Baltimore, dude I know a few yrs back drove a S2000, on his first day at a new job in DC he was stuck in traffic 3 hours, and then beach traffic (Ocean City, MD) for 4.5 hours, and he was even going to the beach. He promptly got rid of that car for a E550 (yeah, upgrade---came with the good government job).
Many of the people, who have grown up, if they do have something like a s2000, it's a second car for the weekend. Driving manual is fun and enjoyable, but sitting in a traffic jam is a waste, like having a big breasted girlfriend, but you can't get the bra off...you can't fully exploit it.



I learned how to drive stick in a 1975 Volvo 164 (my dads) which had a 3.0 I6 and also a 67 Impala SS. Loved my Aunt's 280Z, and love my friend's RS4, E36 M3, but even they don't drive them to work in DC.

Plus, when you have Ferrari, which is far more known as more driver focused than BMW, produce the 458 with a 7 speed Dual Clutch, with faster shifts, and the 599 GTO and the 599xx, and FXX as well, hmmm, faster shifts, both hands on wheel, just maybe they know that there is more to driving than satisfying a person ego...it's not a matter of not knowing how to drive a stick, it comes down to which is faster, for them.

By your logic, a 6 shooter is better than semi-auto...in a gun fight, which would you rather have?
+1. I drive in DC traffic all the time. It's brutal. I love driving a stick. I had a hard decision when I tested both manual and step 135's. I went with the step because I know I couldn't deal with the hassle. You forgot to also mention what Porsche is doing with their PDK transmission. It's said to be the best in the world and will out perform their manuals. You can't argue with the technology now. DCT gives the best of both worlds without compromising on the fun factor of a stick.
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No DCT means I won't be buying this car..what a shame
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      08-28-2010, 07:02 PM   #29
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You forgot to also mention what Porsche is doing with their PDK transmission. It's said to be the best in the world and will out perform their manuals. You can't argue with the technology now. DCT gives the best of both worlds without compromising on the fun factor of a stick.
I have driven Porsche sticks and PDK's extensively on the road and track and the PDK totally kills the involvement and fun for me. It will be a sad day if Porsche PDK ever replaces manual entirely, like Ferrari has done.
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      08-28-2010, 07:14 PM   #30
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Couldn't care less...

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      08-28-2010, 07:19 PM   #31
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I live in Annapolis, which is right between DC and Baltimore, dude I know a few yrs back drove a S2000, on his first day at a new job in DC he was stuck in traffic 3 hours, and then beach traffic (Ocean City, MD) for 4.5 hours, and he was even going to the beach. He promptly got rid of that car for a E550 (yeah, upgrade---came with the good government job).
Many of the people, who have grown up, if they do have something like a s2000, it's a second car for the weekend. Driving manual is fun and enjoyable, but sitting in a traffic jam is a waste, like having a big breasted girlfriend, but you can't get the bra off...you can't fully exploit it.



I learned how to drive stick in a 1975 Volvo 164 (my dads) which had a 3.0 I6 and also a 67 Impala SS. Loved my Aunt's 280Z, and love my friend's RS4, E36 M3, but even they don't drive them to work in DC.

Plus, when you have Ferrari, which is far more known as more driver focused than BMW, produce the 458 with a 7 speed Dual Clutch, with faster shifts, and the 599 GTO and the 599xx, and FXX as well, hmmm, faster shifts, both hands on wheel, just maybe they know that there is more to driving than satisfying a person ego...it's not a matter of not knowing how to drive a stick, it comes down to which is faster, for them.

By your logic, a 6 shooter is better than semi-auto...in a gun fight, which would you rather have?

I dont agree. I've had my '04 S2000 for six years now and have my mix of bumper to bumper and highway. It is a PITA but it wont deter me from a MT. I understand people want a choice but you have to be realistic here. THIS CAR IS ONE THEY DID NOT HAVE TO MAKE. Look at the percentage of 1er sales in comparison to the 3er. Scott is saying 18mos production. That is beyond tiny.
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      08-28-2010, 07:21 PM   #32
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DCT can't handle turbo torque...
Like Scott said: next gen.
Manual is fine by me.. DCT reliability is still up in the air anyways..
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      08-28-2010, 07:50 PM   #33
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You are a bunch of wimps. I am 55 years old, with arthritis, and commute in horrible Los Angeles traffic daily. I am waiting to find out when I can place my deposit for a MT 1M.
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You are a bunch of wimps. I am 55 years old, with arthritis, and commute in horrible Los Angeles traffic daily. I am waiting to find out when I can place my deposit for a MT 1M.
AMEN to that! you go bzzzbom!!!!! no worse traffic than god damn LA traffic!
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      08-28-2010, 07:58 PM   #35
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6MT with CDV?

Even bigger question...will the 6MT have a CDV? If yes, then there would be a strong argument that BMW's decisions to market the 1M as a return to pure "feeling" M car is a bunch of BS. think about it...
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      08-28-2010, 08:02 PM   #36
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I am happy with 6MT only. I considered the option of a DCT but I think it would ultimately be less fun of a car with DCT.
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      08-28-2010, 08:31 PM   #37
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I'm much more disappointed by the engine choice than by the lack of DCT. Long live manual transmissions!
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      08-28-2010, 08:41 PM   #38
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Maybe another reason for not including a DCT option was because it would take the car to M3 acceleration numbers?
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      08-28-2010, 08:54 PM   #39
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It would be nice to have a choice, but as noted, the DCT is coming. I'm just happy there's a 1M, period! The 6MT was the choice for my 1-er and it would have been the same choice even if the DCT were available for the 2010 model.

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It would be nice to have a choice, but as noted, the DCT is coming. I'm just happy there's a 1M, period! The 6MT was the choice for my 1-er and it would have been the same choice even if the DCT were available for the 2010 model.

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There was a Prototype with M-DCT built for evaluation alongside the manuals , unfortunately because this is a (for M) a very cost effective project the costs threatened to spiral out of control in terms for the inclusion of an M DCT. There is also the time factor running against. Had we done this earlier then we would have had the time to accomodate.

With the introduction of the next generation 1er hatch less than twelve months away . The strategy is to take the 1M further away from the hatch so that both cars will be individually distinguished. or in simple form? The 1M is an M car .
We are looking at a life span of just over 2 years for the 1M , the only reason for the go-ahead was to produce something that can be made quickly by using off the shelf parts.

What we are looking at is since the first official video introduction is that serious interest is now over 10,000, it initially depends on the reaction and if there is demand. If BMW discover that there is demand for such a car then they might try to accomodate , it all depends on the outcome. For which there is no definite answer at this time.

Although because there is more time for the engineers , the next generation
1M which will arrive in 2014 will be engineered to accept both transmissions.


I am not sure you can conclude the DCT will come, it sounds like it all depends on outcome.

The discontinuance of the DCT also portends the possibility of the 1M, not having the N55 twin turbo, which was to be a special version of the N55 twin scroll engine.

The rumors of it having an N54 twin turbo (like in the 335is) are now beginning to make sense.


As discussed here.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415588

I for one, am starting to believe that BMW will attempt to save more money, and continue to use off the shelf parts for the 1M (like M3 suspension parts), and drop the N54 motor into it. Lets hope I am wrong

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I am not sure you can conclude the DCT will come, it sounds like it all depends on outcome.
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Personally, I could care less. I order all my cars with MT. Having said that I do think a choice is nice, but even if a DCT is never offered for the 1M (which is doubtful) I ain't going to cry over it.

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Personally, I could care less.

I am assuming you mean you could not care less. A common misstatement.

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This is an issue to which logic is the answer:
  • I could care less means "I do care somewhat", since one can only care less if already caring
  • I couldn't care less means "I don't care at all", since one cannot care less if not caring
Evidently, if you mean to say "I don't care at all", the latter term, I couldn't care less, is the one to use.
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I am assuming you mean you could not care less. A common misstatement.
From Wikipedia
LOL. I think you're smart enough to get the point.

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We are looking at a life span of just over 2 years for the 1M , the only reason for the go-ahead was to produce something that can be made quickly by using off the shelf parts.

I'm really shocked and underwhelmed at that comment above.
This way of thinking doesn't bode well for a true M version of the 1 series.
It sounds more like, "Let's get what we can out of how popular the 1 series has been, cause we didn't really expect this much interest."

Short run, easy and quick to make off the shelf cobbled together "M" car.
No thanks.

I'm much more interested in what BMW will do in the next 1 series.
At least they've had time to work on it and tweak and test and go back and redo it again. The current 1 has it's flaws and BMW may actually take the time and effort to come with a really refined, new 1 series.

Not having a DCT option is yet another indicator of the lack of sincerity for building a true 1M.
I'm a manual guy, but at this point in high tech automotive design, a DCT is a must.
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