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      05-26-2011, 10:26 AM   #45
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BMW definitely underrated the car.

Those numbers are mind boggling coz that about 380+ hp at the crank.
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      05-26-2011, 10:38 AM   #47
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Seems like a lot of you 1M guys have some chips on your shoulder about the M3, and wanting to be better than the M3.

The M3 will always be what it is, the M3. It's a car capable of hauling 2 full-size bags of luggage, 4 people comfortably, and being the all around excellent sport coupe (and sedan) it has always been.

The 1M has already proven it can hang with the M3 on the track and in some cases, on tracks with short straights, outright beat it before any mods are done. It's been shown that you will get better gas mileage, and more real-world speed than the M3 due to the use of turbos and increased torque.

There is no need to rub this in our faces.... I for one and THRILLED to see this little coupe absolutely laying the smackdown, so please do not feel like M3 owners are looking down on you because they think the 1M is a lesser vehicle.... it's not, so any such looks should be interpreted as ignorance.

I hope these comments I am reading do not mean that when I see a 1M on the road it is going to try to race me to prove its dominance like a G37 or Audi. We're better than that.

That being said, I'd love to get some seat time in this thing --- The numbers are absolutely scary impressive!!!
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      05-26-2011, 10:40 AM   #48
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What's the big deal? Seems like BMW just ran a more aggressive software tune ala something similar to a JB4 map. The question is, will it still pick up 80 rwhp from an aftermarket tune? Probably not if the engine is still the same N54. If it can pickup an extra 80-100 rwhp (like the 135i) without blowing to pieces from a reflash then I'll be very impressed.

What impresses me most about this car is not the power which can be achieved for 400 bucks in aftermarket parts but the wider chassis, suspension, M3 diff etc.
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      05-26-2011, 10:41 AM   #49
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Firstly, its a great car. Supper fun to drive but to be honest, after driving my 135i which was all Dinan'd out for the past 2yrs its not very impressive. It leaves you wanting more, this said I am sure the Tuners will fix that quickly.

I actually just passed mine up, drove and drove it but couldn't love it after what my 135i was capable of doing. Instead I went with an 08 M3 E90 (cheaper), yep its slower but at the feeling at 8,000 rpm is a rudh you can not explain until you experience it.

Also, they are such different cars. I got a 8hp Pressure Washer in my E90 on the weekend. Never in a million years could I have done that with the 1M.

Dont get me wrong, I love the 1M after driving it and spending time with it but it just wasn't "different" enough after what my 135i.

either car is great, I also track my cars and if I was on a development track and short track all the time the 1M would be perfect.
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      05-26-2011, 10:42 AM   #50
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      05-26-2011, 10:48 AM   #51
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It can do a lot more than that...

N54 is a wonderful engine if you like to choose how much power you want today (or this minute).

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525099
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      05-26-2011, 11:02 AM   #52
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Seems like a lot of you 1M guys have some chips on your shoulder about the M3, and wanting to be better than the M3.

The M3 will always be what it is, the M3. It's a car capable of hauling 2 full-size bags of luggage, 4 people comfortably, and being the all around excellent sport coupe (and sedan) it has always been.

The 1M has already proven it can hang with the M3 on the track and in some cases, on tracks with short straights, outright beat it before any mods are done. It's been shown that you will get better gas mileage, and more real-world speed than the M3 due to the use of turbos and increased torque.

There is no need to rub this in our faces.... I for one and THRILLED to see this little coupe absolutely laying the smackdown, so please do not feel like M3 owners are looking down on you because they think the 1M is a lesser vehicle.... it's not, so any such looks should be interpreted as ignorance.

I hope these comments I am reading do not mean that when I see a 1M on the road it is going to try to race me to prove its dominance like a G37 or Audi. We're better than that.

That being said, I'd love to get some seat time in this thing --- The numbers are absolutely scary impressive!!!
Well stated. The 1M and M3 serve slightly different purposes with similar performance, though I do see how some people believe the 1M is more of a successor to previous generation M3's (pre E9x models).
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      05-26-2011, 11:03 AM   #53
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I won't be changing my order for a 2011.75 M3, but those numbers are staggering. BMW does tend to underrate but that is a HUGE underrating. Turbo is not for me.. I'll hold off as long as possible. But nobody's making an engine quite like that at this price point at the moment. BMW Power!!

Also re: M3 bashing.. I now see these two cars as not competitors but OPTIONS. It's really a question of whether or not you want to go the way of turbos or NA. Interiors differ, but we don't care do we? Price difference is large but, again, those wanting to go the way of NA can probably justify the cost for the sweetness of 8300rpm.
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Those dyno results are very similar to my dyno from 3 years ago with a flashed N54 motor where it hit 331 rwhp and 366 lbs tq. Curves even look the same. Weird!


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Insideline's dyno is definitely overly optimistic.

Here's their M3 dyno. Most stock M3's dyno between 330 to 350 hp to the wheels.


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Considering both cars result in pretty much the same performance numbers on paper, I much prefer the flat torque curve and increasing power all the way to redline in the M3. But different strokes for different folks.
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impressive. looking forward to driving one of these in person very soon
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I would love an 1M Coupe but.......

As much as I'm impressed by the 1M coupe, until I am convinced that BMW has resolved all it's issues with HPFP and turbocharged direct injection engines I'm going to stick with getting an M3.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, I've been lurking on this site for years drooling over whether I should get a 335I coupe or 135I but after all the HPFP issues that continue on today even after the recall I just can't deal with the possible issues with ordering any car from BMW with the turbo charged direction injection engine.

I've owned an E30 and two E36 M3s that have all been bullet proof especially in the powertrain department and the thought of going to the dealer multiple times due to the HPFP not knowing if the fix is going to resolve the issue kills me. I constantly look through the HPFP threads hoping to find that a firm fix has been found but I never do. If it weren't for this one single issue, I would jump on getting a 1M Coupe, hell I would've about a 335i or 335is already. I know it isn't for others, but for me, this is a big deal. So instead I wait patiently and save a few more pennys for the M3.
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      05-26-2011, 11:35 AM   #58
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Seems like a lot of you 1M guys have some chips on your shoulder about the M3, and wanting to be better than the M3.

The M3 will always be what it is, the M3. It's a car capable of hauling 2 full-size bags of luggage, 4 people comfortably, and being the all around excellent sport coupe (and sedan) it has always been.

The 1M has already proven it can hang with the M3 on the track and in some cases, on tracks with short straights, outright beat it before any mods are done. It's been shown that you will get better gas mileage, and more real-world speed than the M3 due to the use of turbos and increased torque.

There is no need to rub this in our faces.... I for one and THRILLED to see this little coupe absolutely laying the smackdown, so please do not feel like M3 owners are looking down on you because they think the 1M is a lesser vehicle.... it's not, so any such looks should be interpreted as ignorance.

I hope these comments I am reading do not mean that when I see a 1M on the road it is going to try to race me to prove its dominance like a G37 or Audi. We're better than that.

That being said, I'd love to get some seat time in this thing --- The numbers are absolutely scary impressive!!!

Well said, both cars have their place and both are great cars of the same family.
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I'm still looking forward to an actual owner's dyno numbers because after all, this is a press car that was dyno'd which could be running higher boost. Not saying BMW tunes them any differently but I'd really like to see an actual owner's results (cough..Dan Parker..cough) before getting too excited here.

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I see the 1m vs m3 choice to be a complementary situation like the m3 vs the m5. All perform extremely well, but bigger means more technology and lesser degrees of driver engagement. It all depends on your needs and preferences. Personally, I want a practical gokart. 1m for me.

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I won't be changing my order for a 2011.75 M3, but those numbers are staggering. BMW does tend to underrate but that is a HUGE underrating. Turbo is not for me.. I'll hold off as long as possible. But nobody's making an engine quite like that at this price point at the moment. BMW Power!!

Also re: M3 bashing.. I now see these two cars as not competitors but OPTIONS. It's really a question of whether or not you want to go the way of turbos or NA. Interiors differ, but we don't care do we? Price difference is large but, again, those wanting to go the way of NA can probably justify the cost for the sweetness of 8300rpm.
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very impressed but no point in revving till 7k... 6200-6500 max
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Now that the 1M results are in and show hardly any losses, compared to almost 40hp loss in the M3.
Its no longer the bashing of the 1M's lack of performance, but that they are "different" types of cars. With the M3 still the better choice because you need to know the proper gear to be in, no over exaggerated hpfp problems and the 8300rpm redline...
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Looks like the BMW ///M Engineer as documented on Derek's ED experience was right:

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- Completely different tune, although on a very similar engine. - We were describing how we were driving the car trying to make the appointment at M and one engineer told me, "the only reason you haven't spun it is becuase you left the traction control on...." He also dropped that this would occur because....there is more under that pedal than might be printed in a brouchure....
But then we all expected it, didn't we, knowing full well the history of BMW under-rating their FI engines...
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Insideline's dyno is definitely overly optimistic.

Here's their M3 dyno. Most stock M3's dyno between 330 to 350 hp to the wheels.


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Considering both cars result in pretty much the same performance numbers on paper, I much prefer the flat torque curve and increasing power all the way to redline in the M3. But different strokes for different folks.
While absolute numbers may seem high, what's important is the relative delta on the same dyno for the 1///M, M3, and 135i, which we have. Peak numbers can be massaged to be anything, but I am glad we have a valid apples-to-apples comparo of all 3 cars on same roller!
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While absolute numbers may seem high, what's important is the relative delta on the same dyno for the 1///M, M3, and 135i, which we have. Peak numbers can be massaged to be anything, but I am glad we have a valid apples-to-apples comparo of all 3 cars on same roller!
Yea for sure. Though unless dynos were done back to back, that's not very accurate either. What we need is a stock 1M coupe and M3 taken to the same dyno on the same day by real owners.

I'm really excited about the 1M coupe and have been a proponent of it from the very beginning. I just don't see why the 1M fanboys think everyone is jealous of the car. The 1M and M3 have totally different characteristics and value propositions. If anything, the only people who should be jealous and feel bad about their purchase is 335is owners. They paid much more for a car that's arguably worse.

I'd have a tough choice deciding between the 1M and M3 if I were buying today, but I'd still probably go for the M3 because there are more things I personally like about the M3 than the 1M coupe. The 2 things I love more about the 1M coupe is the size, weight, and go-kart feeling (relatively speaking of course). I prefer the M3 for the S65, EDC, and much better interior quality. I love the looks of both cars. The fact that they perform pretty similar makes it a harder choice for me.
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I see the 1m vs m3 choice to be a complementary situation like the m3 vs the m5. All perform extremely well, but bigger means more technology and lesser degrees of driver engagement. It all depends on your needs and preferences. Personally, I want a practical gokart. 1m for me.
I have come to learn that driver involvement is really a subjective thing. I find the M3 to be more involving than any turbocharged BMW just strictly on the power delivery. I hate turbos. But, if I liked turbos, I'd be all over the 1M. You can't lose with either car.. well .. except dollar-wise.

But I must say bang-for-buck the 1M is amazing. Here in Canada it's about the same price as a decked out Evo in top trim. I think that is an EASY choice to make!
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