1M's available

[TimMc]

I see from Natsoft that Beric Lynton's 1M race car was doing 1.24s & the Sherrin Motorsport 135 was doing 1.22s yesterday at QR. I'm doing 1'27"s with my modded 135 road car. I would have qualified mid field!
Too many variables here for this to tell us much though. Beric's 1M will undoubtably get quicker as they tune the engine & suspension.
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re...08/2012.QR1.P2

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

Yes, understeer was very bad on my car and tore up front tyres at the tack.

your car is stupidly fast... Perhaps sub 4 secs I think... So not in same league as 1M

My fronts took a beating also.

With my car it's all about straight line speed. Can't wait til the Snowy Mountains Air strip run.

[TimMc]

Originally Posted by TimMc

I see from Natsoft that Beric Lynton's 1M race car was doing 1.24s & the Sherrin Motorsport 135 was doing 1.22s yesterday at QR. I'm doing 1'27"s with my modded 135 road car. I would have qualified mid field!
Too many variables here for this to tell us much though. Beric's 1M will undoubtably get quicker as they tune the engine & suspension.
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re...08/2012.QR1.P2

And it did. The 1M is now doing 1.21s
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re...08/2012.QR1.Q6

[BMW86]

Originally Posted by TimMc

And it did. The 1M is now doing 1.21s
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re...08/2012.QR1.Q6

What circuit is that Tim? Also, what are the rules relating to power output? if they are limited to stock boost wouldn't the 1M be making more power?

[TimMc]

Originally Posted by BMW86

What circuit is that Tim? Also, what are the rules relating to power output? if they are limited to stock boost wouldn't the 1M be making more power?

QR National circuit of course Vinney. It would be pretty slow at any other QR track. Yeah 1M is limited to 14psi I think, but they've tuned so that that psi is available at all revs. They're using an Evolve tune. 135 is tuned by BPS now and also is restricted to x??? psi. 135 must use standard bushes & control arms too and runs in a different class (B) to the 1M (A).

[BMW86]

Originally Posted by TimMc

QR National circuit of course Vinney. It would be pretty slow at any other QR track. Yeah 1M is limited to 14psi I think, but they've tuned so that that psi is available at all revs. They're using an Evolve tune. 135 is tuned by BPS now and also is restricted to x??? psi. 135 must use standard bushes & control arms too and runs in a different class (B) to the 1M (A).

Thought so, just wanted to be sure. The 135i isn't too far considering the mods but I have a feeling Beric will run quite a bit faster.

[timbo_3101]

Wow seems like a lot of "friendly" discussion over the last two days here.

From my limited experience at at club sprints, the fastest lap times are usually modified Japanese. 1980s and 1990s vehicles. Vehicles one might suspect would not make it to and from the local supermarket in one piece.

However, it is light and day between race modified cars and stock vehicles. R35 GTR. 997 Turbo. E92M. Thank heavens for the various racing categories.

(Furthermore, there are multiple human-technical-environmental factors to consider in a single lap time.)

But it is interesting hearing others' opinions all over again on the 135i-1M debate!

[BBK]

Originally Posted by nik0123

I know a forum member with a modded 135i who has a 5 second quicker lap time over a stock 1M driver at QR. The 1M driver also has plenty of experience on track.
Stock on stock the 1M would always win. At the end of the day there all nuts and bolts..

Ah yes, but apparently facts and figures aren't good enough

[BBK]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

So you've driven a 1M on a track?

No, when did I say that? And how is it relevant?

[BBK]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

Sure thing. When and where?

You find the modified 135i, and the track and take your car there. Simple. I'm just putting down the bet.

[DBE]

Here's my take on this;

• Bang for buck I'd say the 135i offers more value than the 1M
• Stock for the stock the 1M will eat the 135i circuit / strip /street
• Anything with enough mods will beat a 1M around the track. Including a 135i so this is a moot point.

Personally I'd still take a 1M over the 135i because;
Looks
Resale
Stock Performance

Anyone that can't afford the 1M could use the 135i as a project car and build up to 1M performance. BUT most of us are familiar with the long term drawbacks of doing this

[BBK]

Well said!

There are plenty of cars that can be made faster than a 1M or 135i for less money, it's a non issue. Ian just doesn't seem to be able to understand this...

[1q2w3e4r]

I didn't take that out of what he was saying. I read it as he had modified his 135 and was quite happy with the stock 1M performance out of the box and didn't want/feel the need to go down the modifying route with it as it met his needs. I could be wrong though?

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by 1q2w3e4r

I didn't take that out of what he was saying. I read it as he had modified his 135 and was quite happy with the stock 1M performance out of the box and didn't want/feel the need to go down the modifying route with it as it met his needs. I could be wrong though?

"Didn't want/feel the need to modify" : : :

[1q2w3e4r]

I didn't mean for it to be taken as a piss take sorry! I was being serious.

I've had a few extensively modified cars in the past. Some of them can be temperamental, some not. However there is always a thought in the back of your mind (in my case) on the track that something could fail so you wind up listening for every sound from the engine or pulling the pin on a track day if the car doesn't feel 100%. Better to save the engine than have a failure costing tens of thousands.

Ultimately this led me to getting my porka which warranty covers on the track and the dealers run track days for customers encouraging them to take their cars out. The performance of my car was enough out of the box to keep me pretty happy and I've only done some minor modifications to it that shouldn't impact long term reliability.

[DBE]

The Porsche warranty system is brilliant

[sparoz]

The fact is that we are discussing something that no one had much experience with.

Ian is the only active member who had owned and tracked both cars. The only other forum member who might have tracked a 1M and a N54 is taka, but he's not active. Despite the potential bias, they are the only two people who are qualified to comment on track performance between a moded 135i and a 1M in the Australian forum.

Unless k-stig claim his time was the maximum and he can't go faster that day, comparing different cars with different drivers in a single session is not going to stack against same driver different cars, multiple sessions.

[sparoz]

alik01 had a 135i too??? So I think he can chip in?

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

Sparoz's car though... Well that is going to be something else!

Targeting GT3 lap times .

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

Really? Fucking hell there are cars faster than a 1M?... Well the M3 is, then after that most Porsches etc etc.... Ohh yes, and modded 135i's.

Seriously expect anyone to buy into your bullshit when you haven't even driven. 1M.... That's what cracks me up!

Like I said, drop $15-20k on a 135i and it will be on par with a 1M on a track for sure. I am sure Tim's or Vinny's cars would be faster.. I got tired after $9k though

Sparoz's car though... Well that is going to be something else!

Ian I'd appreciate your thoughts on the m conversion hpa sell

[BBK]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

It is extremely relevant I would think given your statements

Well no, I never said that I could drive a 1M faster, I just said that my car was faster on that day. And going by other days times other 135's have been as fast or faster. And considering how badly modified it was, it's a fair assumption that a properly modified 135i could be as fast or faster on the track. But you still seem to be ignoring what I am actually saying.

[quote]What's wrong with your car? Thought it smashed a 1M at the last track day?[/]

I don't have it anymore, sold it. But even if I did, I only had a tune/dp's and a swaybar and crappy tyres. I said that a properly modified 135i should do it. And it didn't smash the 1M, it just beat it. Again, you are making mountains out of molehills.

Really? Fucking hell there are cars faster than a 1M?... Well the M3 is, then after that most Porsches etc etc.... Ohh yes, and modded 135i's.

Cheaper cars can be made faster, and thats exactly what I've been saying all along. Why only now are you agreeing with this? Could of saved me plenty of typing.

Seriously expect anyone to buy into your bullshit when you haven't even driven. 1M.... That's what cracks me up!

I've driven it, just not on a track. Never said I could do better times in my 135i than me in a 1M. What bullshit anyway? You just finally agreed with what I've been saying all along.

Like I said, drop $15-20k on a 135i and it will be on par with a 1M on a track for sure. I am sure Tim's or Vinny's cars would be faster.. I got tired after $9k though

You wouldn't have to drop that much on performance mods. Vinney hasn't that's for sure.

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

No you wouldn't! Pav... You are stiring shit as per usual. You and BBK should change your alias to 'OzziTroll1' and 'OzziTroll2'.
Sell the 335i and get a MT M3.
M3 with a SC is king IMO

I don't understand why you are getting all bent outa shape. You claim 20k, if you calm down and let us know what the 20k is for would be appreciated