M1 vs competition

[135IS]

gt500 vs m1? lol

[mixxer]

Evolution Performance, Inc. NEW 5.0 JUST WENT 12.61 @ 108 mph with a 1.96 60ft on the factory street tires! tune ,exhaust .

[oztiks]

Originally Posted by mixxer

Evolution Performance, Inc. NEW 5.0 JUST WENT 12.61 @ 108 mph with a 1.96 60ft on the factory street tires! tune ,exhaust .

Nice!! But, you can easily achieve much faster than that with simple add ons.

[Cornhusker]

m1 will do 12 flat at 116 with tune exhaust. FACT... jk... bet it will though.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by mixxer

Evolution Performance, Inc. NEW 5.0 JUST WENT 12.61 @ 108 mph with a 1.96 60ft on the factory street tires! tune ,exhaust .

What was the speed at the apex? Thats what matters.

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[BForbes]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

What was the speed at the apex? Thats what matters.

T

Stock for stock it has matched the E9X M3. Read through this enormous thread.


12.61 @108, 1.96 60ft, street tires.
This is with xpipe, catback, K&N drop in, and tune. These bolt ons made 36whp and 23wtq.
Then it ran a 12.04 on DOT legal slicks.
Crazy numbers also considering I don't think the car is even broken in.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by BForbes

Stock for stock it has matched the E9X M3. Read through this enormous thread.


12.61 @108, 1.96 60ft, street tires.
This is with xpipe, catback, K&N drop in, and tune. These bolt ons made 36whp and 23wtq.
Then it ran a 12.04 on DOT legal slicks.
Crazy numbers also considering I don't think the car is even broken in.

I said Apex, you know like CORNERS!!!! Who gives a rats ass how fast I can go from zero to the speed limit. I want to heel toe 5-4-3-2, turn in, feather through the apex while making corrections, and then FLOOR IT it again. Not haul ass through the gears and then turn around and get in line to do it again.

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[BForbes]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

I said Apex, you know like CORNERS!!!! Who gives a rats ass how fast I can go from zero to the speed limit. I want to heel toe 5-4-3-2, turn in, feather through the apex while making corrections, and then FLOOR IT it again. Not haul ass through the gears and then turn around and get in line to do it again.

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Here we go again. Did you read through this entire thread? Lap times apparently mean nothing to you. Provide me with how fast an E9X M can go through a corner and I'll provide the GT. If you did your own research your responses would not be so ignorant. When I said stock by stock I meant LAP TIMES and ACCELERATION.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by BForbes

Here we go again. Did you read through this entire thread? Lap times apparently mean nothing to you. Provide me with how fast an E9X M can go through a corner and I'll provide the GT. If you did your own research your responses would not be so ignorant. When I said stock by stock I meant LAP TIMES and ACCELERATION.

When do you accelerate from standing still on a track to turn lap times? You quoted 1/4 mile times? Not lap times. Go to the drag strip and count the M3's and then count the Mustangs. Then go to a "track" and count the Mustangs, then M3's. They are not of the same ilk, regardless of power/weight stats. One was designed from the ground up to inspire confidence and provide feedback on a road course, and one was made for cruizing. Has a Mustang ever been on the Ring?

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[trahsub]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

When do you accelerate from standing still on a track to turn lap times? You quoted 1/4 mile times? Not lap times. Go to the drag strip and count the M3's and then count the Mustangs. Then go to a "track" and count the Mustangs, then M3's. They are not of the same ilk, regardless of power/weight stats. One was designed from the ground up to inspire confidence and provide feedback on a road course, and one was made for cruizing. Has a Mustang ever been on the Ring?

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I'm telling you in advance, be prepared for disappointment with how fast the new stangs are on the track. The Mustang skeptics are holding onto the 'fast in the straight line' moniker, however what Ford has be able to achieve for a car that can be had for sub 30K is phenomenal.

And yes, I will be cross shopping an M1, M3, and 2011 GT, so there are people who put these cars on the same list. The 2010 C&D lightning lap will be interesting with the new Coyote engine.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by trahsub

I'm telling you in advance, be prepared for disappointment with how fast the new stangs are on the track. The Mustang skeptics are holding onto the 'fast in the straight line' moniker, however what Ford has be able to achieve for a car that can be had for sub 30K is phenomenal.

And yes, I will be cross shopping an M1, M3, and 2011 GT, so there are people who put these cars on the same list. The 2010 C&D lightning lap will be interesting with the new Coyote engine.

Thank you. They will be very disappointed. You sir, are an auto enthusiast. You aren't the only one cross shopping those cars. I am as well.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

When do you accelerate from standing still on a track to turn lap times? You quoted 1/4 mile times? Not lap times. Go to the drag strip and count the M3's and then count the Mustangs. Then go to a "track" and count the Mustangs, then M3's. They are not of the same ilk, regardless of power/weight stats. One was designed from the ground up to inspire confidence and provide feedback on a road course, and one was made for cruizing. Has a Mustang ever been on the Ring?

T

Yes, I quoted acceleration times. That was not specifically for you. It was geared back towards "Mixxer." I'm not counting anything. Where did I say accelerating from a standstill matters on a roadcourse. Acceleration does matter on a course. It is a balance of ample power and handling that makes a car shine. The 2011 is an ALL-NEW Mustang. For once it competes with the M3 in terms of Horsepower AND Handling ability. The 2011 Mustang GT is not a straight line car anymore. I dont understand what you fail to understand about that. NO Mustang has EVER been the competitive with a M3 before. I would choose the M3 7 days a week over the 'Stang but I'm car enthusiast and I give credit where it is due. I'm not going to ask you to read again because you chose to ignore the evidence. There is plenty of evidence that suggest they are of the same "performance ilk" with the nod more than likely going to the M3.

Provide me with the numbers, speeds, etc. and I will provide you of the mustangs.

For the record:

If Car A matches or beats Car B in acceleration, peak g's, braking, cornering speed, lap times, etc they are of the same performance. Measurable performance, not subjective. I'm not talking class of vehicle b/c you have performance vehicles amongst many classes. You cant say they arent of the same ilk or whatever b/c one is a BMW and one is a Ford. That is what you're hinting at. I bet you will see more Mustang's at performance events than M3's. I promise you that. Why? Because most M3's in the U.S. are leased by badge-obsessed people. You aren't likely to find them on forums. Secondly, the car can get very expensive when you're running through the consumables( brake/rotors, tires, etc.) Are you aware how much BMW charges for a valve adjustment on M cars?

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by BForbes

[COLOR=Navy] For once it competes with the M3 in terms of Horsepower AND Handling ability.

Ummm, no.

Provide me with the numbers, speeds, etc. and I will provide you of the mustangs.

8:05 BMW M3 E92 Nurburgring

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nürburgring_lap_times

If Car A matches or beats Car B in acceleration, peak g's, braking, cornering speed, lap times, etc they are of the same performance. Measurable performance, not subjective.

Okay so balance, feedback, turn in....etc don't matter because they are not measurable? These are the things that make you go faster, the things that inspire confidence.

I bet you will see more Mustang's at performance events than M3's. I promise you that. Why? Because most M3's in the U.S. are leased by badge-obsessed people. You aren't likely to find them on forums. Secondly, the car can get very expensive when you're running through the consumables( brake/rotors, tires, etc.) Are you aware how much BMW charges for a valve adjustment on M cars?

You must not go to many track events.

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[///Mangler]

E92 M3 8:03, Roush Mustang 420RE 8:17sec for the Ring. 14 seconds is not even close, and If I remember correctly it was wet when the M3 did its laps........

Oh, the 1991 BMW E30 M3 Sport Evolution with 4 cylinders and 238hp ran a 8:17xx. .02 seconds faster than the Roush Mustang 20years ago........Yeah, Ford Mustangs are in the same league as BMW M3's

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[BForbes]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

E92 M3 8:03, Roush Mustang 420RE 8:17sec for the Ring. 14 seconds is not even close, and If I remember correctly it was wet when the M3 did its laps........

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Links please. You are not quoting the 412hp 2011 Mustang GT. The previous GT was faster than the 135i around a track. The previous GT500 turn almost identical lap times to a 911 Turbo on VIR under the exact same conditions.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by BForbes

Links please. You are not quoting the 412hp 2011 Mustang GT. The previous GT was faster than the 135i around a track. The previous GT500 turn almost identical lap times to a 911 Turbo on VIR under the exact same conditions.

The GT did a 8:28.

http://www.strikeengine.com/car-stat...ockenheim.html

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[BForbes]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

The GT did a 8:28.

http://www.strikeengine.com/car-stat...ockenheim.html

T

I dont see it on that page. Where?

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by BForbes

Links please. You are not quoting the 412hp 2011 Mustang GT. The previous GT was faster than the 135i around a track. The previous GT500 turn almost identical lap times to a 911 Turbo on VIR under the exact same conditions.

From this page:

http://jalopnik.com/5351785/2011-for...+speed-gearbox

"Here's The Mustang Source's inside scoop:

3.7L V6 to be rated at 315 horsepower: Same as 2010 GT; 15 hp more than Camaro V6
No immediate plans for EcoBoost V6 Mustang due to small horsepower gap between EcoBoost and 5.0L V8 (365 vs 400)
2011 Mustang GT to be rated at 400 horsepower, will get increase in 2012
2011 Mustang GT to get 6-speed transmission and variable valve timing
2011 Mustang GT Track Pack to include Brembo brakes
2011 Mustang GT 5.0L V8, 6-speed, track pack, Brembo brakes ran even with 414-hp BMW M3, which is 200 lbs lighter, at GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan
2011 Shelby GT500 to get Aluminum Block
Next special edition: 2012 Boss

It should be noted that the lap time comparison allegedly took place between a Mustang wearing R-compound rubber and an M3 on street tires."

Holy shit a track pack Mustang on R comps against a stock m3 and they ran even??? Lets put R comps on the GTS and run them again.

They are not in the same league. The M1 is also in another league than the Mustang. Period.

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[BForbes]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

From this page:

http://jalopnik.com/5351785/2011-for...+speed-gearbox

"Here's The Mustang Source's inside scoop:

3.7L V6 to be rated at 315 horsepower: Same as 2010 GT; 15 hp more than Camaro V6
No immediate plans for EcoBoost V6 Mustang due to small horsepower gap between EcoBoost and 5.0L V8 (365 vs 400)
2011 Mustang GT to be rated at 400 horsepower, will get increase in 2012
2011 Mustang GT to get 6-speed transmission and variable valve timing
2011 Mustang GT Track Pack to include Brembo brakes
2011 Mustang GT 5.0L V8, 6-speed, track pack, Brembo brakes ran even with 414-hp BMW M3, which is 200 lbs lighter, at GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan
2011 Shelby GT500 to get Aluminum Block
Next special edition: 2012 Boss

It should be noted that the lap time comparison allegedly took place between a Mustang wearing R-compound rubber and an M3 on street tires."

Holy shit a track pack Mustang on R comps against a stock m3 and they ran even??? Lets put R comps on the GTS and run them again.

They are not in the same league. The M1 is also in another league than the Mustang. Period.

T

So you're quoting vaporware? No concrete evidence. Dont link me things with "allegedly."

[Spartikus]

LOL at Mangler actually thinking the 2011 GT is not capable as an M3 on many performance levels. Dude, I've been to countless M3 meets over here and even those guys admit its gonna be a handful on a track for them. Just look at the MotorTrend figure 8 track for the current M3 and Mustang. The Mustang matches or beats it. Give it a rest man. Nobody here hates the M3. We're just realists. Im feeling lazy to look but its already been proven in the enormous thread.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by BForbes

I dont see it on that page. Where?

508.71 seconds.

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[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by Spartikus

LOL at Mangler actually thinking the 2011 GT is not capable as an M3 on many performance levels. Dude, I've been to countless M3 meets over here and even those guys admit its gonna be a handful on a track for them. Just look at the MotorTrend figure 8 track for the current M3 and Mustang. The Mustang matches or beats it. Give it a rest man. Nobody here hates the M3. We're just realists. Im feeling lazy to look but its already been proven in the enormous thread.

So now a figure 8 is the benchmark for laptimes?

Give it a rest? So you would rather discuss quads or no quads?

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