Camber plates or not?

[asbrr]

Originally Posted by AshwinLB

Thanks so much for the quick reply! I'm at 183k so I am very, very due to refresh everything. Somehow went 40k without doing any suspension mods. I'm done with my power mods for now so I'm fully focused on suspension. Will definitely look into doing all of your recommendations.Really excited for how the car will feel after. I actually just got my solid RSFB last week, installing this weekend! Got rid of the runflats as soon as I could with Pilot Sport 4s on Apexs. Made a huge difference.

Yes I quickly realized that so many options

Sounds good. If you can wait, you can look to do the RSFB at the same time a the suspension, may save you a few bucks in labour etc.

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by a4nut

I'm doing it next week.

As for what's my complaint? It's not feel, rather the slow turn in. It's just not crisp. Both the e90 and F56 are more responsive...hard to put into words

What tires are on your car? Some tires have softer sidewalls which hurts turn-in response

[asbrr]

Originally Posted by gjm120

What tires are on your car? Some tires have softer sidewalls which hurts turn-in response

I tend to agree - sidewall/tires will have an impact. I think the toe setup will also impact. Camber plates may help here but I'm not sure - IMO that's more about ultimate front end grip vs turn-in response...

There was also a bump in response with my M3 LCWs, but that's neither here nor there compared to an E90 and F56

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by gjm120

What tires are on your car? Some tires have softer sidewalls which hurts turn-in response

Agreed, good question here.

Originally Posted by asbrr

I tend to agree - sidewall/tires will have an impact. I think the toe setup will also impact. Camber plates may help here but I'm not sure - IMO that's more about ultimate front end grip vs turn-in response...

Toe will definitely have an impact on the steering feel.

[fast1eddy]

Originally Posted by kaputt

How much camber should I be able to get out of the front of the car with just M3 front control arms and the BMW Performance suspension installed?

Can a good alignment shop get you much past the stock settings, or do you need to start doing things like pulling the pins or adding camber plates to get a noticeable difference?

Also what is a good front camber setting on these cars (128i or 135i) that’s great for a canyon carving street car and maybe occasional track day but won’t absolutely destroy your tire life?

I have the exact setup you're referring to. M Performance suspension , E93 front sway bar , M3 control arms front and rear , Dinan rear shock mounts , Dinan fixed camber plates and Whiteline RSBF bushings. I did the Dinan front camber plates to help my OZ Ultraleggera wheels fit. The plus 40 offset was a little too aggressive and caused the front and rears to rub. Did the E90 hub swap to gain 10mm a side more space for the rears.
The end result is exactly what I wanted. Compliant but planted. Turn in is much improved with the camber plates and the car is very neutral with little to no understeer.

[a4nut]

Originally Posted by gjm120

What tires are on your car? Some tires have softer sidewalls which hurts turn-in response

I'm running pilot sports.

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by a4nut

I'm running pilot sports.

So the tires aren't your issue. Look into your pressure and alignment settings as already mentioned.

[dtla1]

Originally Posted by gjm120

So the tires aren't your issue. Look into your pressure and alignment settings as already mentioned.

I mean still could be the "Soft" sidewall that the michelins have compared to a stiffer lower TW tire, but most likely not the case assuming the e90 and the mini are using comparable tires. It's probably going to be pressure and alignment like you said.

People sometimes complain about the slow steering rack in the car, I guess there's a difference between the regular one and the active steering one, but I wouldn't know, only driven mine.

But yeah, get your toe set to 0 in the front, and maximize the camber.

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by dtla1

I mean still could be the "Soft" sidewall that the michelins have compared to a stiffer lower TW tire, but most likely not the case assuming the e90 and the mini are using comparable tires. It's probably going to be pressure and alignment like you said.

People sometimes complain about the slow steering rack in the car, I guess there's a difference between the regular one and the active steering one, but I wouldn't know, only driven mine.

But yeah, get your toe set to 0 in the front, and maximize the camber.

I was thinking maybe he had Continental's. They are popular but I've seen a lot of complaints that they are squishy.

[asbrr]

Originally Posted by gjm120

I was thinking maybe he had Continental's. They are popular but I've seen a lot of complaints that they are squishy.

Yea exactly this, had multiple Contis (DW, ExtremeContactSport) and never liked the turn in response.

The other thing is size, if you're running wider (and taller sidewall) tires but on factory rims, you will lose steering response. It's probably pretty small, but depending again on the tire could have an effect.

My bet is on alignment mostly.

[kaputt]

So dumb dumb me forgot to add bushings to my sway bar order. Just to confirm, I need 2 each of the top and bottom bushings and then only 2 of the bushing brackets, correct?

[fast1eddy]

Originally Posted by kaputt

So dumb dumb me forgot to add bushings to my sway bar order. Just to confirm, I need 2 each of the top and bottom bushings and then only 2 of the bushing brackets, correct?

Sway bar should come with the bushings and brackets if you ordered an M3 bar.

[kaputt]

Originally Posted by fast1eddy

Sway bar should come with the bushings and brackets if you ordered an M3 bar.

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-2...grade-e82-e9x/

I ordered from Turner and it just came as the bar.

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by kaputt

So dumb dumb me forgot to add bushings to my sway bar order. Just to confirm, I need 2 each of the top and bottom bushings and then only 2 of the bushing brackets, correct?

Basically correct, yes. The tops and bottoms won't come separately, they'll cetainly be together as a single "piece" when ordered. In this case I think you'll find it is actually a single piece with a slit in one side so you can open it up to go over the bar. Your order will almost certainly be "bushing set" x 1, and "bracket" x 2.

But yes, by your question you can tell what is needed. They might have come if you'd ordered a kit but most often would need to be separate.

[kaputt]

Thank you!!

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Basically correct, yes. The tops and bottoms won't come separately, they'll cetainly be together as a single "piece" when ordered. In this case I think you'll find it is actually a single piece with a slit in one side so you can open it up to go over the bar. Your order will almost certainly be "bushing set" x 1, and "bracket" x 2.

But yes, by your question you can tell what is needed. They might have come if you'd ordered a kit but most often would need to be separate.

Are you sure? I looked at RealOEM and it shows separate pieces for the top & bottom of the bushings.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=31_0804

It does seem odd as the diameter is shown as the same as a 1er bar.

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by gjm120

Are you sure? I looked at RealOEM and it shows separate pieces for the top & bottom of the bushings. .

Huh, yeah, good point. I was only thinking aftermarket. For aftermarket I've never seen top and bottom separate, it's just a set together or a single piece to begin with. I'm surprised OEM would show 2 separate halves, I can't think of when you'd ever want just one half but you're right that's what it shows if you order OEM. It didn't cross my mind that anyone would order OEM, my fault, because it's clearly an option.

Aftermarket wise - I think what I mentioned will be true.

Diameters can be funky because some bars will be constant all the way through, others will change / neck down in spots.

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Huh, yeah, good point. I was only thinking aftermarket. For aftermarket I've never seen top and bottom separate, it's just a set together or a single piece to begin with. I'm surprised OEM would show 2 separate halves, I can't think of when you'd ever want just one half but you're right that's what it shows if you order OEM. It didn't cross my mind that anyone would order OEM, my fault, because it's clearly an option.

Aftermarket wise - I think what I mentioned will be true.

Diameters can be funky because some bars will be constant all the way through, others will change / neck down in spots.

I just changed my 128i bar to a 135i bar and they are the same diameter but the tapered portion is ~ 10" vs 5". My guess is the M bar is not tapered and/or less hollow.

Since the bushings go around the thick part is does seem weird that the M bar has different bushings and brackets for that matter.

Also on the Turner page there is a mounting kit at the bottom for the ARB.

I remember looking into this upgrade and getting a bit befuddled so just stuck the 135i bar I had laying around on the car.

As an aside, i got a nice improvement with adjustable front endlinks.

[kaputt]

Yeah I can confirm now that E93 M3 bar bushings are two separate pieces.