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I remember something like that too, but that would suck to drive any other way except for straight!
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Just remember the N55 is basically a N54 with valtronic and twinscroll rather than twin turbo. Or, the other way of looking at it is the N55 is a N52 with a twinscroll turbo rather than NA.
The M1 engine (with previous naming conversion I guess would be the S55, will have the N52 engine, with twin turbo. If the twin turbo can contain a twinscroll, and a second normal turbo, that would make it extremely insane - but that would also means it would be a M3 killer which is not going to happen.
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I will never say never, given the current M3 is faster than the M5, no? At a minimal its on-par in acceleration under official BMW NA fact sheet. Won't be surprised if the M1 is a smidgeon faster in the straights but losing steam well in the triple digit region. Once the boost goes these turbo engine loses power fast.
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Strange that nobody has even considered the option of a supercharged 6...... THAT would be lovely.
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Thinking of it, I also like your idea of having an uneven split. This would mean two twin-scroll turbochargers. Two cylinders, each of which feeds the smaller scroll of each twinturbo alone and every two of the remaining cylinders feed the bigger scrolls. Best regards, south
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The M1 is the new M3
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135- supercharged I6- less cost, less lag, ~300hp should still be easy M1- sequential twin charged (super and turboed) I6 ~350hp, big, right now torque and response- best of both worlds- the power of M. Maybe next time, root for the S4 and maybe BMW will 'follow'
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This sounds great and leads me to another, yet unanswered question. Is this engine the base for the F3x M3 also? You probably wouldn't tell.
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Thanks for the info. I do not deny that BMW as a whole doesnt have an enormous pedigree with their I6 engine, I just felt that at least in the US ///M models, there may have been as many non-I6 engines as there have been I6 engines. As a whole, the I6 in a BMW is of course the gold standard. Case in point - the E36 and E46 M3s have had I6, all others have not. The E28 and E34 M5 have had I6, the E39 and the latest M5 have not. So my point was as many ///M units have had other engines as have had I6. Im sure BMW sells I6 engines at a far higher rate overall than any others. But over all M cars, this may not be the case, or it may be the case still. Anyway, thanks for the info! |
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I want BMW to make M1 slower on paper but faster in real life..
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Why would it matter..? People looking to buy an M3 aren't concerned with the M1. The M3 is a luxury GT that is in a different segment of the market. If people were looking to spend less and get more performance, then they can already do that in something like a vette. The choice is based on what you identify with the most... want/needs, etc. Undoubtedly, the M1 could rival the M3 in certain performance characteristics, but it will never be a M3, or vice-versa.. |
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Don't forget it will have more precision (control) and better efficiency aswell.. |
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I can't remember where I read it, but didn't BMW mention there could be electric motor assisted turbos? I would be sweet if the M1 uses an I6 with slightly bigger turbos than in the N54 with electric assisted spool up. I think sequential turbos are out of date, I don't see any manufacturer will go back into that mess again.
Or even more insane, M1 to be the first BMW to use variable geometry turbos (VGT)... In reality, I won't be surprised if the M1 engine will just be a better tuned N54/N55 engine with a better oil cooler, fuel pump and maybe a bigger intercooler. Going from 300->350 is easy, there are tons of STAGE1 tunes out there for the N54 that does it, with pump gas and every thing else stock, not even intake/exhaust. Oh, and as much as I wanted it to come true... the E9xM3's V8 is never gonna come in a e82 from the factory. Gas Guzzling V8 in a compact car? that's just BAD PR..... |
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er.. I didn't say it couldn't, or wouldn't outperform the M3.. I said "Why does it matter? If all you are seeking is M3 performance, buy an M3 or equivalent! Most who are worried about such things will most likely never buy either. To many, the actual performance figures don't matter, it's how well the car suites your driving style/needs. 400HP means nothing, if you don't know how to use it. So 600 HP spec means nothing, or very little to those who seek a well rounded GT. Bragging rights are for those with egg-shell egoes. |
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