I find myself using only DTC...

txusa03 · 04-27-2006, 01:22 PM

Ever since I read about the DSC and DTC, and how you can turn off DSC and only drive with DTC, I find myself pressing the DCS button after I crank up the engine so that I am only driving with the minimal DTC. I believed that my old 2000 323 model only had the DTC (and did not have the more advanced DSC back then).

Is it good to drive around with only DTC? I don't want to be restricted with the more advanced DSC. I will drive with DSC if 1) it is rainning and 2) treadwear on tire is low and 3) icy road condition which we don't have in the central south part of US. I feel like I get more acceleration with only DTC and that is why I find myself turning off DSC. Please drive with DSC off at your own risk and caution.

noflash · 04-27-2006, 01:52 PM

You'll be fine. (You got all the letters right but one. The button says "DTC"!

)

Bimmerista · 04-27-2006, 02:04 PM

There is no reason to disable it (enable DTC) unless you drive in slippery conditions. I only turn "on" DTC when it snows in order to enble slip when accelerating from standing start in snow/ice.

Unless everyone of your traffic lights is a drag race, DTC off (no pushing of button) is perfectly fine.

txusa03 · 04-27-2006, 02:06 PM

gotcha, the DTC button. I wonder if others are doing the same? I get the impression that I get more out of my car driving experience with using only DTC and I find it fun to drive with only DTC.

shimshimhada · 04-27-2006, 02:19 PM

I turn it completely off, unless it's raining.

stressdoc · 04-27-2006, 02:20 PM

Suggestion: register for a BMWCCA race experience, or a local autocross, or find a big open gravel/dirt parking lot, and use some of the time to experiment with the various levels of big brother. I find it useful to acclimate to the feel of DSC/DCT intervention, and knowing what they will do.

shimshimhada · 04-27-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

Suggestion: register for a BMWCCA race experience, or a local autocross, or find a big open gravel/dirt parking lot, and use some of the time to experiment with the various levels of big brother. I find it useful to acclimate to the feel of DSC/DCT intervention, and knowing what they will do.

Back to the idea of running dealer run by enthusiasts...there would be a testing lot, so the new owners can experience exactly how DSC works.

tctic · 04-27-2006, 02:25 PM

Your 2000 323i should have DSC also. I think that's when it became the standard. BTW, if your 2000 323i did not have DSC, it would have ASC+T not DTC. DTC only comes with DSC in the E90 for the 3 series. But I would suggest you keeping DSC fully on because you never knew when you need to manuveur out of a dangerous situation. Using DTC vs. using a full system may become the difference of a severe crash or a situation where you can get out of easily.

ward · 04-27-2006, 03:00 PM

the light that tells you it's off it too damn annoying

if you're driving hard enough that it actually makes a difference you should turn it down a notch on the street

don't be that douchebag that starts a thread, "I crashed into a pole because I turn traction control off and can't control my car"

Bimmerista · 04-27-2006, 03:07 PM

yeah, it just uses more rubber

txusa03 · 04-27-2006, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tctic

Your 2000 323i should have DSC also. I think that's when it became the standard. BTW, if your 2000 323i did not have DSC, it would have ASC+T not DTC. DTC only comes with DSC in the E90 for the 3 series. But I would suggest you keeping DSC fully on because you never knew when you need to manuveur out of a dangerous situation. Using DTC vs. using a full system may become the difference of a severe crash or a situation where you can get out of easily.

I just know it does not have what I have in my current car. I just don't remember what it is called. Yes it is annoying seeing the DTC and the Exclaimation mark on the display panel and I also have to press that button. I am convinced that I should leave that stuff alone... Thanks for the advice.

330m · 04-27-2006, 03:30 PM

I always switch off DSC when it's dry. You can really get the back stepping out nicely from roundabouts and hairpins with DTC only.

With DSC on I get the little yellow warning 'flasher' telling me it's cutting in and stopping my fun whenever i gas it out of a bend!

mmeads · 04-27-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimshimhada

Back to the idea of running dealer run by enthusiasts...there would be a testing lot, so the new owners can experience exactly how DSC works.

Just go to the performance center!

Bimmerista · 04-27-2006, 04:41 PM

I had a client once who also bought a VW/Audi/Porsche dealership because he loved Audis and Porches.

Sold it about 5-7 years later after having lost some serious money ( at the end of their reign they got serious about running as a business and were breaking even/making some profit, but not enough to offset all the previous losses).

Bottom line: unless you're gonna run as a real business - run.

lux.sh · 04-27-2006, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 330m

I always switch off DSC when it's dry. You can really get the back stepping out nicely from roundabouts and hairpins with DTC only.

With DSC on I get the little yellow warning 'flasher' telling me it's cutting in and stopping my fun whenever i gas it out of a bend!

Ditto.

Have you guys seen the new magazine with comparison test of performance at the track?:
DSC on / DTC off
DSC off / DTC on
DSC / DTC both on
DSC / DTC both off

Test reviews said when DSC off / DTC on, they got the best result and best maneuver ability while taking advantage of the new technology.

visor · 04-27-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lux.sh

Ditto.

Have you guys seen the new magazine with comparison test of performance at the track?:
DSC on / DTC off
DSC off / DTC on
DSC / DTC both on
DSC / DTC both off

Test reviews said when DSC off / DTC on, they got the best result and best maneuver ability while taking advantage of the new technology.

Interesting.
Which mag was this?

And semantics, I know, but "DSC/DTC both on" is not possible.

David328M-Sport · 04-27-2006, 07:44 PM

I have not deactivated any of the "D" active safety faetures. No need.

lux.sh · 04-27-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by visor

Interesting.
Which mag was this?

And semantics, I know, but "DSC/DTC both on" is not possible.

yeah I think im going to go back and buy the magazine.
It was some random tuning magazine I was reading last week at barnes and nobles.
once I get hold of it, i'll post detailed info on what magazine it is.

cralmandi · 04-27-2006, 11:21 PM

The mag is Grassroots Motorsports April 2006. Not a bad magazine.

Robin_NL · 04-28-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shimshimhada

I turn it completely off, unless it's raining.

I turn it completely off WHEN it's raining. And sometimes on sundays when I have nothing els to do but

Drifting and sliding in the rain is much easier and better for your tyres/chassis.

shimshimhada · 04-28-2006, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

I turn it completely off WHEN it's raining. And sometimes on sundays when I have nothing els to do but

Drifting and sliding in the rain is much easier and better for your tyres/chassis.

Not with my tires, it's suicide.

04-27-2006, 01:22 PM	#1
txusa03 Major General 548 Rep 6,563 Posts Drives: TS330iPPSP6MT Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Planet Earth iTrader: (3)	I find myself using only DTC... Ever since I read about the DSC and DTC, and how you can turn off DSC and only drive with DTC, I find myself pressing the DCS button after I crank up the engine so that I am only driving with the minimal DTC. I believed that my old 2000 323 model only had the DTC (and did not have the more advanced DSC back then). Is it good to drive around with only DTC? I don't want to be restricted with the more advanced DSC. I will drive with DSC if 1) it is rainning and 2) treadwear on tire is low and 3) icy road condition which we don't have in the central south part of US. I feel like I get more acceleration with only DTC and that is why I find myself turning off DSC. Please drive with DSC off at your own risk and caution.
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Bimmerista Major General 82 Rep 5,732 Posts Drives: superstock Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada iTrader: (0)	There is no reason to disable it (enable DTC) unless you drive in slippery conditions. I only turn "on" DTC when it snows in order to enble slip when accelerating from standing start in snow/ice. Unless everyone of your traffic lights is a drag race, DTC off (no pushing of button) is perfectly fine.
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txusa03 Major General 548 Rep 6,563 Posts Drives: TS330iPPSP6MT Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Planet Earth iTrader: (3)	gotcha, the DTC button. I wonder if others are doing the same? I get the impression that I get more out of my car driving experience with using only DTC and I find it fun to drive with only DTC.
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tctic Major 38 Rep 1,238 Posts Drives: BMW E90 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	Your 2000 323i should have DSC also. I think that's when it became the standard. BTW, if your 2000 323i did not have DSC, it would have ASC+T not DTC. DTC only comes with DSC in the E90 for the 3 series. But I would suggest you keeping DSC fully on because you never knew when you need to manuveur out of a dangerous situation. Using DTC vs. using a full system may become the difference of a severe crash or a situation where you can get out of easily.
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ward Major General 155 Rep 6,158 Posts Drives: F Join Date: May 2005 Location: T iTrader: (0)	the light that tells you it's off it too damn annoying if you're driving hard enough that it actually makes a difference you should turn it down a notch on the street don't be that douchebag that starts a thread, "I crashed into a pole because I turn traction control off and can't control my car"
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330m First Lieutenant 6 Rep 364 Posts Drives: 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Manchester iTrader: (0)	I always switch off DSC when it's dry. You can really get the back stepping out nicely from roundabouts and hairpins with DTC only. With DSC on I get the little yellow warning 'flasher' telling me it's cutting in and stopping my fun whenever i gas it out of a bend!
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