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all this talk about boosted cars not lasting has really got me thinking about the 1er. im soooo wanting this car but i dont want to end up down that road where some people have by trading there car in every 2 years or so. i look forward to keeping the 1er for a long time but i also look forward to modding it out as much as i can.
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I would love to see an M1....
With that said, why did BMW put all of the "goodies" on the 135i? The badging, the brakes, the TT engine. I have no reason to doubt that this source some speak of is telling the truth--I just wonder where the market will come from. The 1er is going to attract the most enthusiast-minded BMW owners to begin with--you are not going to see those who drive Jettas and the like just make the jump, the car is going to be too expensive for that--it is going to be a niche car, and I am just not certain how another, even smaller niche, can be created for the M1. Seems to me the M1 and 135i buyers are going to come from the same pool--which makes it hard to make money if you produce both cars. It might have a lot to do with how the 1er coupe is received over here--if the 135i sells very well, BMW might be tempted for the development of the M1--for the next generation of the coupe anyway.
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The M version of the 1 Series is a good thing. I would consider an M1. It would make a great daily driver.
And is an M version worth it over the less expensive regular series, modded to outperform? Hell yes.
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I wont be pushing either car past its daily driven limits performance wise. Again I want longevity, but with longevity comes other aspects. With lots of money, longevity can be attained at high boost applications. Im not saying I suggest or condone this, but if you have the cash dont be afraid to play. I personally refuse to crack the block open so I will never see over a 12-13lb average. I dont want to see spikes part 18-20lbs (thats risky)! An M will always have a place for me. Ill never truly hate one. I respect the new M3, I just dont particularly favor it at the time. Times change, so maybe Ill be eating my words. On the other hand, being a boost junkie is an addiction....... |
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I just don't really see a business case (and I doubt BMW will either) for a 50K plus SMALL car with the horrible exchange rates we are facing now and for the forseeable future when the 400hp M coupe/roadster will be out.
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In an interview, BMW's M Division Vice President, Gerhard Richter, said that he intends for BMW to sell a CSL version of all future M3s. The CSL version is an extra light-weight version of the M3, designed to be the rawest factory M3 available.
In an interview with Edmunds, Richter said that the M3 CSL has been a success for BMW - and a model that the carmaker shouldn't drop. Richter also stated that BMW doesn't currently have plans for a full-out M-version of the new 1-Series, but that he would support the idea. |
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The interview with Richter can be found at Edmund's Inside Line:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=121767 |
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With the success of all the previous Ms, hell Id support the idea as well if I was in his shoes. Lets look at it this way (only because we dont know), the 135i might be the best M replica (if that makes sense). What I mean is looking at all of the other 3 Series none of them compare to the M3. If BMW would follow suite in how we have been talking i.e. a 330-360hp car, then with an M suspension and aero package. The 135i might represent the closest performance level to an M, while still not being an M. If that makes sense...
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For now I will get the 135i...it will be plenty fast.
If we see an M1, I will get that next.
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Even if they released an M1, 135i, and 128i, all at once, I think they would all still sell. There are plenty of people out there are not particularly "M-heads". They might like the car, but either not feel it necessary or not like the price point. BMW would still probably see more sales of the 135 and 128 over the M, not only because of preference, but also the low amount of M's released. Also consider that with all of this speculation, the true M heads are just going to wait for the M1 to come out, but if BMW says there will be no M1, then they will buy into the 135i and trade if/when they do release an M1. Hell, If I knew an M1 was coming out I would definitely have to do a comparo of the three: My e46, M1 and 135i, then leave with the best.
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I love how all you M fanboi's are so pwned by marketing. M doesn't me a damn thing, all that matters is performance, clear and simple. Here's all the links to performance you need. 335i vs e46 m3. For being such a special "M" car it's amazing how the Performance numbers are always almost the same, but geez, the 335i doens't have lsd, mbrakes, or m's high revving engine. Dont get me wrong, M's are cool, but so are all the other cars that perform at that level.
http://www.autospies.com/news/New-BM...lap-time-8579/ http://www.e90post.com/forums/archiv...p/t-34644.html Looks like you could add about .5 psi of boost and the 335i would win every time. FLAME ON! |
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Hell, with 10K and a Honda Civic I'm sure I could blow all of the above mentioned cars out of the water. Or maybe it would take 15K--but it could still be done, right? If you have the will and capital, you can mod almost anything into being something that is was never intended to be. That is the true beauty of the M--there's nothing that needs to be done to it. And such an understanding doesn't make me a fanboi--it just means that I get it.
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