More 1M details confirmed: Limited Production Run - 3 Exterior Colors - MT Only

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by technik330

I'm pretty sure I read it in the interview with Dr. Kegler, it's on the m-power website under the interview regarding the car.

If that is true, it's a rather vague statement.

Everyone:
Still, what makes a "pure M"?

Is the current M3 pure?
Have all the M5's been pure?

One thing that is common to most if not all M cars, is that they have a unique engine. This 1M doesn't have that.

What other pure or un-pure M model has or had an engine that came from the regular model, and was simply tuned differently?

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by RPM90

If that is true, it's a rather vague statement.

Everyone:
Still, what makes a "pure M"?

Is the current M3 pure?

Yep.

Have all the M5's been pure?

Yep.

One thing that is common to most if not all M cars, is that they have a unique engine. This 1M doesn't have that.

Show us where anyone knows what is under the bonnet of the new 1M.

What other pure or un-pure M model has or had an engine that came from the regular model, and was simply tuned differently?

S52B32 US E36 M3

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[niuniu]

Originally Posted by RPM90

If that is true, it's a rather vague statement.

Everyone:
Still, what makes a "pure M"?

Is the current M3 pure?
Have all the M5's been pure?

One thing that is common to most if not all M cars, is that they have a unique engine. This 1M doesn't have that.

What other pure or un-pure M model has or had an engine that came from the regular model, and was simply tuned differently?

Only pure M was the original M1. Because I'm more of a purist than you.



As we say in the industry. Bullsh*t.

[burger16b]

I want this car, but if its gonna be so limited I don't think i would want to drive it. because once everyone sells or cracks theirs up its value would go crazy. More of a collectors item

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

Yep.



Yep.



Show us where anyone knows what is under the bonnet of the new 1M.



S52B32 US E36 M3

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I can't show you, as you can't show me it's not the N54 modded.

I'm basing this on what we've all read on these threads, that the 1M will be using the N54.
So, I'm speculating based on what info we have, just like some are speculating that the 1M will be fantastic and pure M, while others are speculating that it will suck.

At this point, we don't know exactly what's up.
But, that doesn't mean we can't ask questions, or come up with ideas and speculations on what MIGHT be up.

Let's say it is a modded N54. Would this fit the concept of a "pure M"?

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by niuniu

Only pure M was the original M1. Because I'm more of a purist than you.



As we say in the industry. Bullsh*t.

Oh, I don't claim to be of the "pure M" camp.

What industry?
And what is "Bullsh*t, in reference to?

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

An engine without ITB's and without a power band that is meant for momentum driving on a racetrack.

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That's a pure M to you?

[BForbes]

Be easy, please.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by RPM90

That's a pure M to you?

Have you ever driven an ///M car on the track? Have driven a non ///M car on track of the same series? You tell me the answer.

Yes. The engine is what makes it pure ///M or not. This is where it starts. This is where the engineers design everything else to harmonize. If the chassis cannot deliver the engines characteristics, for confident high performance driving, then they fail.

There has never been a single ///M car to fail at this. Even the USE36M3 was good, even if it only had a tuned M50.

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[Evice]

my eyes are bleeding because of the pureness mania going on. You guys should be all chemists.

[Jaguar66]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Let's say it is a modded N54. Would this fit the concept of a "pure M"?

If BMW releases a car, and calls it an ///M car, in this case a 1 Series M Coupe, by definition it is an M car. Every M car BMW has ever made, fits this definition, and every other car BMW made without this designation, is not an M car. Simple.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by RobMason

If BMW releases a car, and calls it an ///M car, in this case a 1 Series M Coupe, by definition it is an M car. Every M car BMW has ever made, fits this definition, and every other car BMW made without this designation, is not an M car. Simple.

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[RPM90]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

Have you ever driven an ///M car on the track? Have driven a non ///M car on track of the same series? You tell me the answer.

Yes. The engine is what makes it pure ///M or not. This is where it starts. This is where the engineers design everything else to harmonize. If the chassis cannot deliver the engines characteristics, for confident high performance driving, then they fail.

There has never been a single ///M car to fail at this. Even the USE36M3 was good, even if it only had a tuned M50.

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Hey, relax.
It's an honest question. No need to get defensive about it, when I'm asking you YOUR opinion.

BTW, what question are you responding to?
Cause, you're posting your comments in support of a car that has "no power band".
Is that your final answer?

I've only driven 2 variants of M3, several E46's and my buddies older E36, and no it was not on the track.

I too agree that it starts with the engine.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by RobMason

If BMW releases a car, and calls it an ///M car, in this case a 1 Series M Coupe, by definition it is an M car. Every M car BMW has ever made, fits this definition, and every other car BMW made without this designation, is not an M car. Simple.

Ok. A clear answer.

So, for you, if BMW says it's a M, then it's an M.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Hey, relax.
It's an honest question. No need to get defensive about it, when I'm asking you YOUR opinion.

BTW, what question are you responding to?
Cause, you're posting your comments in support of a car that has "no power band".
Is that your final answer?

I've only driven 2 variants of M3, several E46's and my buddies older E36, and no it was not on the track.

I too agree that it starts with the engine.

#1 issue with interweb discussions. You cannot convey demeanor. I was talking in a normal tone.

I was responding to what is pure M question.

Again since you have never driven these cars on a track, you may not understand the traditional ///M power band. It is from max torque to redline, like every other road race engine in the world.

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[niuniu]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Ok. A clear answer.

So, for you, if BMW says it's a M, then it's an M.

For everyone, if BMW says it's an M, then it's an M.

The reason for that is, is because when M, an actual division of BMW, make something, they have the right to call it what they want.

Every opinion outside of M division, and the board, isn't worth anything. Even the opinion of the greatest reviewer of all time is worth not one iota in the classification of M cars.

[Jaguar66]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Ok. A clear answer.

So, for you, if BMW says it's a M, then it's an M.

No, for BMW its an M car. Everyone else is on the outside looking in. (Lil Anthony and the Imperials) And this leaves everyone on the outside figuring out if they are willing to buy BMWs ///M car. Once anyone buys BMWs /// M car, they have the right to do, say, act, feel, react, emote, write, or anything else they want, (except in Iran maybe).

We haven't even got to the stage of anyone buying BMWs ///M car. I feel silly even writing this.

[richardg]

can't wait

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by RobMason

No, for BMW its an M car. Everyone else is on the outside looking in. (Lil Anthony and the Imperials) And this leaves everyone on the outside figuring out if they are willing to buy BMWs ///M car. Once anyone buys BMWs /// M car, they have the right to do, say, act, feel, react, emote, write, or anything else they want, (except in Iran maybe).

We haven't even got to the stage of anyone buying BMWs ///M car. I feel silly even writing this.

I know for BMW it's an M car, but I wasn't asking if BMW thinks it's an M, of course they do.
I asked the question because NOT everyone agrees that the 1M is 'truly' an M car, in whatever way they envision and M to be.
That is why it is a question, because not everyone agrees.

When the latest BMW M3 came out there were a lot of people questioning if the M variant had strayed. This argument goes on still.
Also, even in this thread some have said that the 1M is not a "pure" M.

So, are you saying that you believe the 1M fits your definition of what an M should be, or not?

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by niuniu

For everyone, if BMW says it's an M, then it's an M.

The reason for that is, is because when M, an actual division of BMW, make something, they have the right to call it what they want.

Every opinion outside of M division, and the board, isn't worth anything. Even the opinion of the greatest reviewer of all time is worth not one iota in the classification of M cars.

I disagree that peoples opinions aren't worth anything. In fact, customers opinions mean the most, cause they are the ones making the decision to buy it or not.

My question is not about "classification". It's about peoples opinions, which do matter. If you don't agree, and it seems you don't, then that's fine too.

[Jaguar66]

Originally Posted by RPM90

So, are you saying that you believe the 1M fits your definition of what an M should be, or not?

Yes, because BMW M division has developed it, tested it, modified it, marketed it, named it and will sell as an M, it is to be called the 1 Series M Coupe. Just because people don't agree with how BMWs M division is putting it together (yet to be really determined), doesn't mean it isn't one. Is the 135i a "pure" BMW?

I have no doubt in 10 years it will considered a pure M car.

[niuniu]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I disagree that peoples opinions aren't worth anything. In fact, customers opinions mean the most, cause they are the ones making the decision to buy it or not.

My question is not about "classification". It's about peoples opinions, which do matter. If you don't agree, and it seems you don't, then that's fine too.

Your opinion about whether a BMW car is a real M or not is worth absolutely nothing.

M make a car, it's an M.

Your opinion only counts for whether you like it/buy it or not. Even if BMW sell not a single 1M, it will still be an M car.

A few whiners on the internet won't stop the direction BMW and M, indeed the whole car industry are moving towards. And a few whiners certainly don't stop M cars being M cars.