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      02-16-2022, 01:22 PM   #45
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Yes it does. I have been looking at the GT-Line (e-AWD). I am not interested in a Tesla (I admire what Musk has done but I don't like the man and the 3 and Y vehicles make one look to the side to even see the speed one is driving. I have a very comfortable, loaded 2018 BMW 530e with GEICO MBI to carry me to the end of 2024 so I figure to wait a while for the charging infrastructure to improve. By late 2023 or 2024, I figure there will be lots of vehicles to choose from (I actually have a refundable deposit on a Lucid Air Pure). Hopefully the BMW options won't be ugly.
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      02-16-2022, 03:23 PM   #46
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One of the only current EVs that I am intrigued by is the Audi RS E-Tron GT. My interest is purely from a styling perspective as I'm still not looking for an EV to park in my garage any time soon. I can afford a lot of gas considering the price of this car.
Agree, they are stunning. I'd probably opt for one over the Taycan, but in my book those two are leagues ahead of any other EV option ...if you can cough up the price tag.

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Kia EV6 is getting rave reviews and looks fantastic. Easily my top choice for EV's at the moment.
I think the Koreans are doing an awesome job of EV engineering - great design, really efficient miles/kWh and they have a home turf advantage with LG Chem who realistically is the main competitor to Tesla on a pure battery performance/engineering front. But, like the Ioniq 5, while I dig the overall EV6 design, they are pretty damn big (probably moreso than you realize) - well into crossover territory.
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Kia EV6 is getting rave reviews and looks fantastic. Easily my top choice for EV's at the moment.
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Kia EV6 is getting rave reviews and looks fantastic. Easily my top choice for EV's at the moment.
Yea def on the list but the range seems hugely impacted by cold and rain based on some reviews I've read.
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      02-16-2022, 06:19 PM   #48
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Eh, the Kia is into crossover territory but - it's not that big, just looked and it's almost identical to my X3 which isn't a big car. Then again everything is getting bigger, so if you're looking for a small EV your options get pretty limited especially if you want it to be reasonably fun or luxurious even a bit. Seems the BMW i40 is actually longer than the Kia.

Any battery gets worse in the cold. I have experience making batteries but haven't kept up w/ what the different manufacturers are using these days as tweaks of the same basic concept. Every EV will be worse in the cold, but - maybe the KIA is even worse than the rest.

I get the feeling that what you're looking for doesn't exist yet. It's not impossible, just doesn't exist yet.
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Eh, the Kia is into crossover territory but - it's not that big, just looked and it's almost identical to my X3 which isn't a big car. Then again everything is getting bigger, so if you're looking for a small EV your options get pretty limited especially if you want it to be reasonably fun or luxurious even a bit. Seems the BMW i40 is actually longer than the Kia.

Any battery gets worse in the cold. I have experience making batteries but haven't kept up w/ what the different manufacturers are using these days as tweaks of the same basic concept. Every EV will be worse in the cold, but - maybe the KIA is even worse than the rest.

I get the feeling that what you're looking for doesn't exist yet. It's not impossible, just doesn't exist yet.
Yeah I expect worse in the cold and wet, gasoline cars lose range too. But I've found a review online and another on YouTube back in Jan and they couldn't even get 200 miles out of it at 75mph.
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Yeah batteries will always lose capacity in the cold, affecting some slightly more than others, and different systems will do a better job of heating them up more quickly/efficiently/preliminarily.
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Besides the cold, batteries also lose charge capacity over time. One cost that is not mentioned in EVs is the battery replacement 7-10 years down the road. Current assumption is batteries will get cheaper, but it is a huge cost and may eat up any savings gained in the first 3-5 years over an ice car.
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One cost that is not mentioned in EVs is the battery replacement 7-10 years down the road.
I don't mean to start a big argument, but EV batteries, typically, don't need replacement in 7 - 10 years. I think the prospect of it is a legit factor, but not the assumption it'll need replacement in 7 - 10 years.
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I don't mean to start a big argument, but EV batteries, typically, don't need replacement in 7 - 10 years. I think the prospect of it is a legit factor, but not the assumption it'll need replacement in 7 - 10 years.
Not arguing, but it also assumes people will keep an EV that long too.
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We're 3 months in with a Volvo Pure Twin and it's has been nothing short of fantastic. I would not want a pure EV fleet but a nice addition to the stable and very pleased at the price point. Drives surprisingly well and wifey is loving it.
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If EVs are the wave of the future, might as well buy a golf cart. It is cheaper to buy and maintain. . .

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I've seen a few Ioniq 5 on the road. They look sharp. Used to think the Mach-e was the best of the bunch. It still looks muscular and athletic. Can't deny that the Hyundai/Kia twins are taking the EV stage by storm with good solid products.

Where I am, Teslas have become the Corolla of sedans. Too damn common of an already ugly car.
I look forward to more BEV/PHEV products in the coming years.
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Range seems to be crap from what I can find though. Do you have some personal experience with the car? I admit I do like them but I think I need more than 200 miles of usable range.
That is my problem with the Polestar. If it had about 300 miles of range, I would go for it.
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Range seems to be crap from what I can find though. Do you have some personal experience with the car? I admit I do like them but I think I need more than 200 miles of usable range.
That is my problem with the Polestar. If it had about 300 miles of range, I would go for it.
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Out of curiosity where are you located? 😃
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      03-18-2022, 08:33 PM   #59
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I've seen a few Ioniq 5 on the road. They look sharp. Used to think the Mach-e was the best of the bunch. It still looks muscular and athletic. Can't deny that the Hyundai/Kia twins are taking the EV stage by storm with good solid products.

Where I am, Teslas have become the Corolla of sedans. Too damn common of an already ugly car.
I look forward to more BEV/PHEV products in the coming years.
This exactly and the y looks like an egg on wheels lol. They are literally everywhere, I see them all over, the iPad bolted on the dash is starting to look dated (especially compared to something like the hyperscreen), and with the 50th price increase this year they are now crazy over priced to boot.
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Out of curiosity where are you located? 😃
If you mean me, north Scottsdale.
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If you mean me, north Scottsdale.
I was really just hoping you'd say Arizona 😀
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If EVs are the wave of the future, might as well buy a golf cart. It is cheaper to buy and maintain. . .
Not worthy of an onpoint answer.
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Where I am, Teslas have become the Corolla of sedans. Too damn common of an already ugly car.
I look forward to more BEV/PHEV products in the coming years.
Tesla’s are super models compared to the absolute atrocity that every other electric vehicle has been up until the last 1~2 years. Like them or not, we very much have them to thank for that (and a lot more).
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