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      07-23-2007, 11:02 AM   #1
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Roundel says M1 to come

According to Roundel July '07 "Heard on the Strasse" section:

"BMW M is working on a new M car based on the 1 Series coupe"

What do you guys think about this? I have a hard time believing it.
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      07-23-2007, 11:12 AM   #2
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if a nicely equipped m3 is really going to come in at close to 70k USD then i'd believe that they need a M1 to fill the void. makes me wonder if i should lease my upcoming 135i instead of outright buy it. need to run some spreadsheets on that. hmmmm.
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      07-23-2007, 11:23 AM   #3
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I've been preaching it for a while now!! Not many believe me. We've already had a very reliable source on this site say that there will be one and that it will be called an M1. Lets just wait it out and see.

I mean honestly, it would be awfully stupid for BMW to say they will build an M1 before the intro of the 128i and 135i. But lets just wait it out. The name just sounds so cool. MotorSport 1 FTW!!!
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      07-23-2007, 11:27 AM   #4
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I can't imagine anything they could do to the 135i in making the M1 that would make it more desirable for the money, unless they remove alot of weight. Otherwise, you can easily and cheaply mod a 135i to be faster than an M3 and we know the M1 won't be as fast as an M3, but will cost a bunch more than a 135i...
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      07-23-2007, 11:30 AM   #5
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unless they remove alot of weight.
bingo ... i'm thinking a lot of light-weight parts, a LSD, and maybe a NA engine...
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      07-23-2007, 11:36 AM   #6
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Yeah, with the M3 getting the V8 I could see the 3.2 I-6 going into a 1er Coupe
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      07-23-2007, 11:38 AM   #7
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bingo ... i'm thinking a lot of light-weight parts, a LSD, and maybe a NA engine...
booo boost > natural aspiration

The price would probably come in more than the 335i. Now, how would they make an NA engine in M trim fit in between 300hp bi turbo and 414 V8? Would it have 330 like the E46 straight 6? Theres no way it would get a V8, and probably wouldnt even fit. So you go slightly above the boosted motor with an NA trim. That would have to be close to the 330-360. With that power to weight, it might be quicker than the E92 M3. I dont think BMW would do that. No M motor has come from the factory boosted, so your probably right its got to be NA. Even then, turn up the boost on the N52 and youve got yourself 400hp, so youd have a 135i thats faster than the M1 and probably a lot cheaper.

they should have just called the 135i the M1 and made it NA.
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      07-23-2007, 11:39 AM   #8
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Yeah, with the M3 getting the V8 I could see the 3.2 I-6 going into a 1er Coupe
That's been rumored, but old M3 engine has some emission issues to overcome before BMW can use it in a new car.
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      07-23-2007, 11:41 AM   #9
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Yeah, with the M3 getting the V8 I could see the 3.2 I-6 going into a 1er Coupe
So basically, it would just be like keeping the E46 M3 alive. Which I wouldnt have a problem with at all!
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      07-23-2007, 11:43 AM   #10
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Dont get me wrong. I plan on buying a 135i, and there is a big possiblity of me modding it out too. But when you get down to it all, it is no M car. It might be faster than an M1 OR M3 or whatever but its no genuine M car.

What do you think is more desirable? A modded E30 that is faster than an E30 M3, or THE REAL E30 M3??

When comparing a 135i to an alleged M1, speed is the only thing mentioned. There is so much more to the equation.
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That's been rumored, but old M3 engine has some emission issues to overcome before BMW can use it in a new car.
Hmm, maybe a new engine then? I just think that the ~330 hp from the 3.2 sounds about right. Add in more lightweight components and an LSD and there's really not much more you can do before you're approaching M3 territory. I do like the idea of a high-reving NA M version though :w00t:
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...and there is a big possiblity of me modding it out too.
What's odd (for me) is that, apart from an LSD, I really don't feel the urge to tweak the 135 that I've had with my last 2 cars. Both the A3 ('01 1.8T) and my MINI had mods planned before I even got the cars
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      07-23-2007, 11:51 AM   #13
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Dont get me wrong. I plan on buying a 135i, and there is a big possiblity of me modding it out too. But when you get down to it all, it is no M car. It might be faster than an M1 OR M3 or whatever but its no genuine M car.

What do you think is more desirable? A modded E30 that is faster than an E30 M3, or THE REAL E30 M3??

When comparing a 135i to an alleged M1, speed is the only thing mentioned. There is so much more to the equation.
Trust me, I agree owning an E46 I would never take a 330 that is faster than my M. What BMW could have done this is make the 135i an M car. Supposedly, we're getting an M aero and M suspension. So how bout Nappa leather, steering wheel, adjustable sus (like the E92), M wheels, power dome hood :headbang:, and the badging.
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      07-23-2007, 12:10 PM   #14
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How accurate are Rondel's predictions most of the time? Any timeline for this potential model? I am sick of waiting. I needed a car yesterday.
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      07-23-2007, 12:14 PM   #15
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How accurate are Rondel's predictions most of the time? Any timeline for this potential model? I am sick of waiting. I needed a car yesterday.
Heres something back from May. Im sure a lot of you have seen this.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_...sid=682&page=1
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I just don't know what they could stuff in there to justify the cost of an M1. Even if you tune a NA engine to 340hp, add a LSD and some suspension tweaks, brakes and so forth I doubt it would be worth the 15k or so more than a 135.

You can add better sways, brakes, coils and ecm flash for a whole lot less.
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I agree....

Plus, I am a big turbo fan. Don't get me wrong, the M cars are all pretty amazing, but the TT six is awesome in it's own right.

The M1 may come, but I am pretty sure a lightly modded 135i will do the job for me.

Now, if they bring out a little "Mini Z4" with the TT six....well, then all bets are off!



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I can't imagine anything they could do to the 135i in making the M1 that would make it more desirable for the money, unless they remove alot of weight. Otherwise, you can easily and cheaply mod a 135i to be faster than an M3 and we know the M1 won't be as fast as an M3, but will cost a bunch more than a 135i...
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I agree....

Plus, I am a big turbo fan. Don't get me wrong, the M cars are all pretty amazing, but the TT six is awesome in it's own right.

The M1 may come, but I am pretty sure a lightly modded 135i will do the job for me.

Now, if they bring out a little "Mini Z4" with the TT six....well, then all bets are off!
They will never be able to get as much power out of an NA inline 6 as they can with this turbo motor. Boost is better in all senses, other than longevity, but if you maintain low boost pressure they will last forever as well. Once you start pumping out a lot of pressure then reliability and longevity go down the drain.

I have to agree. Id rather have a 135 with M1 fenders, hood, etc than an NA M1, unless if they do something really crazy with it. I just noticed in the Roundel that the 335 beat the Z4 M coupe by 1 second at VIR. That is impressive in itself.
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No Freaking Way.

The 135i will already be very very fast. If you put out an M1 it would have to as fast or faster then the new M3.

...and you don't put M badges all over the 135i if you planning on having a M1.
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No Freaking Way.

The 135i will already be very very fast. If you put out an M1 it would have to as fast or faster then the new M3.

...and you don't put M badges all over the 135i if you planning on having a M1.
See thats what I was thinking, but heres the thing. It seems that all of the sports in Europe have the M badges everywhere, but no M fenders, hood, or rear badges. Either way, I still think the 135 will be faster and if its not faster out of the box it will only take a minor ecu flash to put it at that. Whats 500-1000 bucks compared to another 10-15 for an M1, considering that would probably be the price increase.
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I just don't really see the point of an M car that will likely cost ~50k when you have a 135i with the N54, M suspension, M caliber brakes, M tid bits in the interior, and an M body kit.

Plus, the S54 from the M3/Z4M is heavy (it has an iron block) and does not meet current emissions regulations so they would probably have to design a new power plant.
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I just don't really see the point of an M car that will likely cost ~50k when you have a 135i with the N54, M suspension, M caliber brakes, M tid bits in the interior, and an M body kit.

Plus, the S54 from the M3/Z4M is heavy (it has an iron block) and does not meet current emissions regulations so they would probably have to design a new power plant.
Absolutely... not to mention that the 135 will be faster than an S54. I think it previously was stated that the 335i was equally a quick as the S54'd M3. Handling wise it was more nimble at VIR running 1 second faster than the Z4 M car.

I feel the same as you, I dont think an M coupe is needed simply because its already covered. Just put some M badges on the 135. Tradition of the M group has already changed (4 banger > straight 6, now V8). Who would have thought an M would get a V8?!
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