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      07-23-2007, 01:41 PM   #23
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Who would have thought an M would get a V8?!
Or a V10?
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      07-23-2007, 01:52 PM   #24
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I hope that they do come out with an M version of the 1 series so they can keep the prices down on the 135i. As far as weight reduction for the M version goes.... Carbon fiber roof?
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Carbon fiber roof?
Worked for the E92 M3.
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      07-23-2007, 02:12 PM   #26
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I don't see that there is any room for an M1. The 135i will be so impressive, that you need at least the new V8 to make a real difference.

Actually, I don't rule out that the 3.2 NA is a clear step back in driving experience! OK, it's high revving, but the bi-turbo is not actually low revving either. Besides the 15% to 40% torque deficit of the 3.2 is noticable everytime you want to accelerate until the engine builds up to at least 6000rpm!

With the V8 or the 3.2 the car will cost much more and consume 30% more. The smarter package is beyond any doubt the 135i and, when I'am not mistaken, a real sportscar value proposition since it will get compared to a Cayman S very soon.

Guys, the figures of the 135i already put this tiny and affordable car in the middle amongst a Jag XKR, Carrera, Maserati, 650i, SL550 and other serious toys! Not bad as play mates :thumbup:
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Guys, the figures of the 135i already put this tiny and affordable car in the middle amongst a Jag XKR, Carrera, Maserati, 650i, SL550 and other serious toys! Not bad as play mates :thumbup:
Wouldn't mind having some other playmates along for the ride if you get what I mean. :wink:
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      07-23-2007, 02:43 PM   #28
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Well BMW has an interesting problem. If they do build the M1 with the old M3 engine they basically have a repackage e46 M3. It will have +33 hp, LSD and perhaps some weight saving compare to the 135i.

I am not sure how big of an audience that will create. Pretty sure there are people out there who would want one for M badge, but it's the same car as e46 m3. I will just buy a E46 M3 and I don't have to wait. E46M3 is a great car but I am not sure if I want to spend 10k more to get a repackaged one that came out 5-6 years ago. Why not just get a used for a lot less.

If they don't use the old engine they will have to engineer a brand new high reving 6cylinder engine whose only purpose is for the M1 since the Z4M will be getting the v8 and that engine has to have over 333hp.
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      07-23-2007, 02:50 PM   #29
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Well BMW has an interesting problem. If they do build the M1 with the old M3 engine they basically have a repackage e46 M3. It will have +33 hp, LSD and perhaps some weight saving compare to the 135i.

I am not sure how big of an audience that will create. Pretty sure there are people out there who would want one for M badge, but it's the same car as e46 m3. I will just buy a E46 M3 and I don't have to wait. E46M3 is a great car but I am not sure if I want to spend 10k more to get a repackaged one that came out 5-6 years ago. Why not just get a used for a lot less.

If they don't use the old engine they will have to engineer a brand new high reving 6cylinder engine whose only purpose is for the M1 since the Z4M will be getting the v8 and that engine has to have over 333hp.
Not to mention that will kill the value of the E46 M even more. With the introduction of the E92 M and then an M1 (Old M3), you really wouldnt have a need to own the old E46, especially when someone can buy an update with 4 year warranty and probably cheaper than an E46 that is 1-2 years old.
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      07-23-2007, 02:52 PM   #30
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The one thing that makes me think that BMW will not make an M1 with this generation of the 1-Series is the fact that the 1-Series is really already 1/2 way thru its lifecycle. It came out in Europe in 2004 and just went thru a "mid-life freshening". That means that the chassis really only has 2 to 4 years to live before the next version comes out. Since M versions typically come out 2 years after the regular version, the M1 would be out for only 1 or 2 model year. That's a lot of development cost for little return.

Just a thought.
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      07-23-2007, 02:56 PM   #31
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The one thing that makes me think that BMW will not make an M1 with this generation of the 1-Series is the fact that the 1-Series is really already 1/2 way thru its lifecycle. It came out in Europe in 2004 and just went thru a "mid-life freshening". That means that the chassis really only has 2 to 4 years to live before the next version comes out. Since M versions typically come out 2 years after the regular version, the M1 would be out for only 1 or 2 model year. That's a lot of development cost for little return.

Just a thought.
True and if that was the case, then Europe would already have an M1 out now.
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Jus replace the 135 badge with an ///M and presto!
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      07-23-2007, 02:59 PM   #33
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Jus replace the 135 badge with an ///M and presto!
lol if only it were that easy.
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      07-23-2007, 03:14 PM   #34
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Now, if they bring out a little "Mini Z4" with the TT six....well, then all bets are off!
Well they also mentioned the Z2 in that article as well.

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Z2 roadster and M1 coupe: BMW is developing a no-frills Z2 roadster which will be introduced in 2010. Its primary target: the Mazda Miata. Meanwhile, BMW M is working on a new M car based on the 1 Series coupe. Some Bimmerphiles are disappointed because apparently it will be called the M1, the model designation of Munich's exotic mid-engine coupe which was introduced in 1978--the first car to wear the M badge. Some industry analysis warn BMW is spending too much time and money on unprofitable small cars.
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      07-23-2007, 03:18 PM   #35
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I just dont understand why I cant find anything about an M1 on the de page. Like what was said before, they should have a M1 in Germany IF they were going to release one at all.
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      07-23-2007, 03:19 PM   #36
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Yea we talk about making are cars as fast as an "M1" but honestly how many of you guys would really have the "cojones" to go through with it??

I mean you'd think people in charge at BMW havent thought about this by now. I heard the same arguments a long time ago. Except they sounded like, BMW would never put an N54 motor in a 1 series, etc... I think were in for another suprise fellas. I'm going to enjoy my 135i for 3 yrs and then I'll snag an M1. I'm curious to see how many modded 135i engines get blown to bits trying to be an M1.
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      07-23-2007, 03:38 PM   #37
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Yea we talk about making are cars as fast as an "M1" but honestly how many of you guys would really have the "cojones" to go through with it??

I mean you'd think people in charge at BMW havent thought about this by now. I heard the same arguments a long time ago. Except they sounded like, BMW would never put an N54 motor in a 1 series, etc... I think were in for another suprise fellas. I'm going to enjoy my 135i for 3 yrs and then I'll snag an M1. I'm curious to see how many modded 135i engines get blown to bits trying to be an M1.
How much HP do you expect the M1 to have? It wont be more than 400, Ill eat my words if thats the case! Gaining 30 whp, let alone chp, on a boosted motor is pretty easy. Guys are getting 400whp on the 335i running 13.5lbs. Now I dont know how long that motor can withstand that, but its definitely not an aluminum block. I believe its cast iron, correct me if Im wrong. Also the cylinders dont have drop in sleeves, but Im sure that can be done if they already dont have welded sleeves (again I dont know that for sure either). Theres plenty of VF supercharged M3s out there, running stock NA blocks, and not blowing. Now, were playing with a block built for boost!

I hope we can eat out words, but as I stated earlier higher pressure = less longevity. I guess it just depends on how strong that block is. If its anything like an audi, mitsu or 2jz block then we are in good shape.
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well what we have heard (i believe it was from SCOTT's mouth/keyboard?) was that there will be an M1 and it will enter the market as they take the 135 out. therefore it doesnt have to "fit" between the 135 and the M3, it is going to be what an M3 would have been if it didnt have to compete against the RS4, IS-F etc.. and didnt have to be based on such a fat-ass chassis

peak output horsepower can be a bit above where the 135 is from a revamped, lighter 3.2 (which will save significant development costs, hopefully) enough to where they could chop off a good 400lbs (i know, probably not, but wouldnt that be nice?), put in a lsd, CF roof, make it stiff as a brick, imagine.. and even if you can catch up with that in the straightaways in your tuned 135, you wont be howling with laughter like the M1 fellow will be

that being said, i like turbos and the 135 would be perfect for me. i dont need 100% rawness. although really it would depend on throttle response and what kind of low rpm torque i could get out of the M, which i wouldnt expect to compare to the 135
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well what we have heard (i believe it was from SCOTT's mouth/keyboard?) was that there will be an M1 and it will enter the market as they take the 135 out. therefore it doesnt have to "fit" between the 135 and the M3, it is going to be what an M3 would have been if it didnt have to compete against the RS4, IS-F etc.. and didnt have to be based on such a fat-ass chassis

peak output horsepower can be a bit above where the 135 is from a revamped, lighter 3.2 (which will save significant development costs, hopefully) enough to where they could chop off a good 400lbs (i know, probably not, but wouldnt that be nice?), put in a lsd, CF roof, make it stiff as a brick, imagine.. and even if you can catch up with that in the straightaways in your tuned 135, you wont be howling with laughter like the M1 fellow will be

that being said, i like turbos and the 135 would be perfect for me. i dont need 100% rawness. although really it would depend on throttle response and what kind of low rpm torque i could get out of the M, which i wouldnt expect to compare to the 135
The question is what engine will BMW use. Will BMW break its rules and use a turbo engine or design a brand new N/A engine with more hp than the old 333hp m3 engine. If it doesn't out perform the old I6 N/A there is really no point for a new engine.

As someone else have pointed out the current 1 series platform will end in 2011 and that gives this M1 a 3 year life cycle. If BMW offers the M1 I will jump on it right away but I don't see it introducing a new M1 in current 1 series. Maybe BMW will in the next generation.
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It's a shame that so many equate a good car solely with horsepower. HP is only 1 part of the equation.

I'd gladly take an M1 in whatever guise BMW would produce it in. M has yet to make a car that I didn't wish I had. I'd take a stock M3 over the fastest Proceded v10.2.5.6.8.9. with robotic hydraulic H&R Tein KWS NASA suspension mods ANY day!

M cars are special. One day the 335, 135, 535, whatever other 35 will be just be another BMW.
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It's a shame that so many equate a good car solely with horsepower. HP is only 1 part of the equation.

I'd gladly take an M1 in whatever guise BMW would produce it in. M has yet to make a car that I didn't wish I had. I'd take a stock M3 over the fastest Proceded v10.2.5.6.8.9. with robotic hydraulic H&R Tein KWS NASA suspension mods ANY day!

M cars are special. One day the 335, 135, 535, whatever other 35 will be just be another BMW.

I hold the same sentiments. But it doesn't seem like there will be a M1 on the horizon for the next year. I hope they do but I am sick of waiting. I was on the waitlist of the new m3 but BMW wants too much for the M3. I think a decently equipped M3 will cost 70k out the door.
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I hold the same sentiments. But it doesn't seem like there will be a M1 on the horizon for the next year. I hope they do but I am sick of waiting. I was on the waitlist of the new m3 but BMW wants too much for the M3. I think a decently equipped M3 will cost 70k out the door.
easily! In my eyes, not worth the additional cost over the E46. If the 135 has an M suspension then its the perfect car for me. Granted it may not be a real M, but Id rather have FI over NA for one. 2: All the badging and the few interior differences wont sway me enough to buy it for the added cost. It would have to be superior to the 135 performance and handling wise, not aesthetically for me to justify buying an M1. If they handle the same, Ill stick with a 135. I can make a lot more power out of boost than I can with an intake and cams. Id love to pull up next to an M1 (if it ever exists again), and take the doors right off of it. Ill still have respect for the Motorsport division, but I have lost some with the introduction of the newest M3.
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It's a shame that so many equate a good car solely with horsepower. HP is only 1 part of the equation.

I'd gladly take an M1 in whatever guise BMW would produce it in. M has yet to make a car that I didn't wish I had. I'd take a stock M3 over the fastest Proceded v10.2.5.6.8.9. with robotic hydraulic H&R Tein KWS NASA suspension mods ANY day!

M cars are special. One day the 335, 135, 535, whatever other 35 will be just be another BMW.
You and I are on the same page man. You gathered my thoughts to a T. The M1 does not need to have 400hp. It wont weight 3500 lbs like the current M3.

Btw, it really gets me going when people bash the E92 M3. They said its softer, etc. They said the exact same thing about the E46 when it came out. Now everyone is at its feet. Caranddriver.com gave it a great review. Yes the car got bigger but it is just as competent as ever.
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Hmmm. An M1 in 2011. That would be right about the time I originally planned on getting another car. I really like the idea of a 'new M3' based off the 1. WISHFUL THINKING: BMW produces a M1 with at least 350 HP, 3400 pounds (give or take), and the usual M suspension bits and styling = GAME ON.
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