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      04-01-2019, 09:59 PM   #1
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Just got an email from BMW about their new Z4 models.

No manual transmission option.

I would definitely buy a Miata before I would take one of those, for free!

I have a 2000 Z3M Coupe. It's the "undesirable" S52 version, that "only" makes 240 HP. It's only a 5-speed. No way would I trade it for one of these POS things they are trying to sell now as an upgraded version.

I think I have bought my last BMW. In fact, I'm certain.
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Its a dying breed certainly. Even the Supra isnt .. but some rumors have sparked about BMW / Toyota developing a manual .
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      04-02-2019, 02:24 AM   #3
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I would buy a manual transmission Jeep Wrangler over a 'sports car' in automatic.
It would feel much more thrilling and connected. Zero interest in any car with an automatic, literally none!
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Yes, my fellow enthusiast......it's a sad state of affairs. However, be thankful there are a handful of models that are still offered in manual.
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If I want the old-fashioned-like driving experience, I wouldn't buy a BMW after the switch to turbo-only motors and EPS. Manuals with naturally-aspirated engines will always be the true elitist's choice.

Now, for a sporty daily driver/family car, a G20 330i with the track pack would be wonderful. The eight-speed is brilliant, not dim-witted like most autos. I wouldn't buy the Z4 because of its looks (old Lexus, anyone?), and I wouldn't buy the Supra because of the fan base. That said, I don't have the money to buy any of the above yet...

Honestly though, I feel like, given the date of the original post, a 4/1 is being pulled-over on us...
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It is sad for sure. At least we now know that the M2CS is going to be offered with a manual option! ...the end of an era!
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If I want the old-fashioned-like driving experience, I wouldn't buy a BMW after the switch to turbo-only motors and EPS. Manuals with naturally-aspirated engines will always be the true elitist's choice.

Now, for a sporty daily driver/family car, a G20 330i with the track pack would be wonderful. The eight-speed is brilliant, not dim-witted like most autos. I wouldn't buy the Z4 because of its looks (old Lexus, anyone?), and I wouldn't buy the Supra because of the fan base. That said, I don't have the money to buy any of the above yet...

Honestly though, I feel like, given the date of the original post, a 4/1 is being pulled-over on us...
4/1 was a coincidence; it's when I opened the promotional email from BMW and then clicked on the contained link. I think the email came a few days earlier. I didn't open it until I'd read everything important in my inbox and then started deleting the crap.
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If I want the old-fashioned-like driving experience, I wouldn't buy a BMW after the switch to turbo-only motors and EPS. Manuals with naturally-aspirated engines will always be the true elitist's choice.

Now, for a sporty daily driver/family car, a G20 330i with the track pack would be wonderful. The eight-speed is brilliant, not dim-witted like most autos. I wouldn't buy the Z4 because of its looks (old Lexus, anyone?), and I wouldn't buy the Supra because of the fan base. That said, I don't have the money to buy any of the above yet...

Honestly though, I feel like, given the date of the original post, a 4/1 is being pulled-over on us...
We had a BMW with the 8-speed for a while, and it still bored me to tears. Never again.

As far as the old fashion driving experience, turbos have been around a long time, so I’m ok with a turbo manual. Turbo E82s are essentially the direct descendents of this, especially the 1M:

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We had a BMW with the 8-speed for a while, and it still bored me to tears. Never again.

As far as the old fashion driving experience, turbos have been around a long time, so I’m ok with a turbo manual. Turbo E82s are essentially the direct descendents of this, especially the 1M.
I'd definitely take a manual, turbo car over an auto or DCT N/A car (except maybe a GT3 Touring). The 2002 Turbo is such a cool car!
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I'd definitely take a manual, turbo car over an auto or DCT N/A car (except maybe a GT3 Touring). The 2002 Turbo is such a cool car!
Yeah, to be honest, I wouldn’t even want the 911 GT3 Touring with DCT. I’d choose a base 911 with a stick over it. I drove a Lamborghini once with flappy paddles, and I told my wife that, if she ever wants to rent me a exotic car for fun sometime as a gift, don’t bother unless it’s a manual. The manual is really a major part of the experience for me.
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I'd definitely take a manual, turbo car over an auto or DCT N/A car (except maybe a GT3 Touring). The 2002 Turbo is such a cool car!
Yeah, to be honest, I wouldn't even want the 911 GT3 Touring with DCT. I'd choose a base 911 with a stick over it. I drove a Lamborghini once with flappy paddles, and I told my wife that, if she ever wants to rent me a exotic car for fun sometime as a gift, don't bother unless it's a manual. The manual is really a major part of the experience for me.
They are available in manual. That would be my perfect dream car. I was kinda saying (not very clearly lol) that if I were gifted one, I wouldn't mind...
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They are available in manual. That would be my perfect dream car. I was kinda saying (not very clearly lol) that if I were gifted one, I wouldn't mind...
Yeah, glad they brought back the GT3 manual. If someone gifted me a DCT GT3...I’d sell it. lol
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Yeah, glad they brought back the GT3 manual. If someone gifted me a DCT GT3...I’d sell it. lol
That's a good point that Porsche tax would pay for a new one
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