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      06-08-2010, 10:27 AM   #23
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Does this appear on the passenger side,top of dash?If it does,then I just noticed that appear 2 months ago...thought WTF!...is the dealer handling it?
That is it. There is a whole thread on the subject on the forums. Basically BMW is no longer fixing the problem. Actually, their "fix" wasn't a fix. After replacing the whole dash, the indentation would came back.
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      06-08-2010, 01:20 PM   #24
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While I believe the failures probably have little or nothing to do with the additives, stmts like this are just as misleading and untrue as the others. You may not want to believe it, but different fuels suppliers do indeed had different formulas and additives. Stick to the things that you know to be facts before you state them as facts.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Typically people blame HPFP failure to additive they mean ethanol specifically and that's what I referred to as additive mandated in all gasoline by the federal government. Hope this clarifies for you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/bu...23ethanol.html
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Typically people blame HPFP failure to additive they mean ethanol specifically and that's what I referred to as additive mandated in all gasoline by the federal government. Hope this clarifies for you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/bu...23ethanol.html
You can still find plenty of non-ethanol gas in the US.

http://www.boatoregon.com/OSMB/news/...thanolList.pdf

http://pure-gas.org/about
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      06-08-2010, 02:51 PM   #26
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You can still find plenty of non-ethanol gas in the US.

http://www.boatoregon.com/OSMB/news/...thanolList.pdf

http://pure-gas.org/about
Was not aware of that. Unfortunately none exist in California.
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Typically people blame HPFP failure to additive they mean ethanol specifically and that's what I referred to as additive mandated in all gasoline by the federal government. Hope this clarifies for you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/bu...23ethanol.html
This is what I mean by people stating opinion as fact. Good to see the next post clarified it for you.
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This is what I mean by people stating opinion as fact. Good to see the next post clarified it for you.
If you want to argue on technicality, sure EPA only mandates a annual qutoa, so non-ethanol blend gasoline can still be obtained as long as state meets the quota. I live in CA, where ethanol free gas can't be found so it may as well be all for me. And technically, it is not stating opinion as facts. It's having the wrong facts. I wasn't presenting a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Regardless this is complete off the point that non-top tier gas is cause of hpfp failure.

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If you want to argue on technicality, sure EPA only mandates a annual qutoa, so non-ethanol blend gasoline can still be obtained as long as state meets the quota. I live in CA, where ethanol free gas can't be found so it may as well be all for me. And technically, it is not stating opinion as facts. It's having the wrong facts. I wasn't presenting a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Regardless this is complete off the point that non-top tier gas is cause of hpfp failure.
Wow, grasping at straws. You could've just left it at... 'I was wrong'
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Since the engine in the 1M hasn't even been driven by customers yet, are you kind of borrowing trouble to worry about it???
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Wow, grasping at straws. You could've just left it at... 'I was wrong'
I was only applying the same scrutinizing and holier-than-thou attitude you got. Let's get technical and analyze how you were wrong in stating it was an "opinion." Seriously, I don't really care and I am certainly not always right and no problem admitting it.

Just trying to measure you against the standard you measure everyone else by. You better make sure you don't ever slip.
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It's also with discussions I have had with BMW techs. Calm down dude, jeez...try a little less caffeine in your cofee or maybe sanka.

What I have had explained to me by multiple people in the various tech areas within BMW is that the HPFP has a plastic impeller. That impeller gets eaten away by the extra chemicals in our fuel, chemicals that aren't present in euro gasoline. t's the additives in the US fuel that eat away at it that make it fail. That lil' guy is running @ 150 BAR (that's almost 2200psi to you & me, kids). You get one little imperfection and that pump will no longer be running at such high pressure.

So to alleviate that possibility I have only been using Chevron gas, and I mean only. Never once will I put in Arco, or Costco, or any other type of crap gas. Because all it takes is one tankful of crap fuel and you are screwed.
Numerous people have posted on various threads that even cars in non US gasoline countries are having failures as well.
Plus, numerous failures have occurred in engines where ONLY certain brands of "top tier" fuels have been used.

Also, at the moment, my 135i does not have a pump failure and I've used gas from Costco, Gas City, BP, and even a few tanks of Speedway.
So, no, it is not true that even one tankful of non Chevron and you're screwed. There is evidence in total contrary to your views.
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The HPFP issues are caused by US fuel additives. Easy way to not have HPFP issues is to use top tier gasoline. I use Chevron, solely. Had 22k miles on my '08 135 without an issue, and now have over 6k miles on my '10 without any problems.
The only gas that ever touched my tank after taking delivery was Shell 93. I had constant fuel pump issues. Try again.
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This is the first time that I've heard about plastic impeller. They should replace the plastic parts with something more durable and chemical resistent material, things like titanimum or ss steel.

Yes, I do worry about the HPFP problem. If they used the same HPFP in M1, I will skip M! from my purchase list.
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Yes, I do worry about the HPFP problem. If they used the same HPFP in M1, I will skip M! from my purchase list.
It's already off my list for being another dumb idea like the R32. It took VW 3 years to sell just 5000 08's.

Give me the new Mustang 5.0 in black. I'll take the extra $20,000 and pay for unlimited tires and fun track days!

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Geez my biggest worry is the price here, I don't think a possible HPFP failure could take away the fun to be had with this car Lets first see how the N55 behaves
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It's already off my list for being another dumb idea like the R32. It took VW 3 years to sell just 5000 08's.

Give me the new Mustang 5.0 in black. I'll take the extra $20,000 and pay for unlimited tires and fun track days!

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Whohooooo!!!! Burn outs and drag racing!!!!

Yeah, thats an ///M3 competitor.

Why don't they market its amazing turning abilities and laptimes?

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Whohooooo!!!! Burn outs and drag racing!!!!

Yeah, thats an ///M3 competitor.

Why don't they market its amazing turning abilities and laptimes?

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Well, testing of it has proven it can do both.
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Whohooooo!!!! Burn outs and drag racing!!!!

Yeah, thats an ///M3 competitor.

Why don't they market its amazing turning abilities and laptimes?

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I'm pretty sure it's come damn close, if not surpassing M3 lap times on a variety of tracks. I'm not sure why you're trying to ridicule an amazing performing car for its price point.
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