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      05-06-2018, 07:37 AM   #1
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What's Going on at Fox?

Wallace, Smith, and now Cavuto? I was waiting to see whether this turned up on the forum. I wouldn't have seen it had "Morning Joe" not run it earlier in the week. I will say that this is one conservative who's got some big balls. If you haven't seen it: “Let me be clear, Mr. President, how can you drain the swamp if you’re the one who keeps muddying the waters?
You didn’t know about the $130,000 payment to a porn star, until you did, said you knew nothing about how your former lawyer handled this, until you acknowledged today that you were the guy behind the retainer payment that took care of this. You insist that money from the campaign or campaign contributions played no role in this transaction. Of that you’re sure. The thing is, not even 24 hours ago, sir, you couldn’t recall any of this. (Then) the time you said the Russians didn’t interfere in the 2016 election, until a lot of Republicans had to remind you they did. (You) came back months later, and you said, ‘Well, I never said that Russia didn’t meddle in the election,’ when in fact you had — a lot.
There was the time you claimed the tax reform bill would cost you a fortune when it turns out it is going to help make you a bigger fortune, (and the time) you said there was serious voter fraud in New Hampshire, and there wasn’t. And the time you said millions of illegals voted in the last election, but they didn’t.
None of this makes you evil or makes what you say fake but does make calling out the press for being so a bit of a stretch.You are right to say some of them are out to get you. But oftentimes they’re using your own words to bat you. You probably might not care. But you should. I guess you’ve been too busy draining the swamp to stop and smell the stink you’re creating. That’s your doing. That’s your stink. Mr. President, that’s your swamp."

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I was expecting my friends on the right to be all over this. Let me see if I can do you guys justice after all those rants you've posted. "Cavuto, he's a RINO." "Cavuto, he's a 'turd." "Cavuto, he's a stupid ass liar". "He's a snowflake". Now if Ryan and McConell could just grow some balls and Nunez and McCarthy can pull their heads out of Trump's fat ass, there might be hope for the right after all.
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Ha.


It's kind of cute how you thought of that when that's exactly what happened when someone brought up shep earlier here. I hadn't heard of the bloke or fox news even ever before joining this forum and I can't claim to watch any news at all but that dude really pisses off people.
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Wallace, Smith, and now Cavuto?
I think a few things

(1.) There are two definitions of "swamp".
First is the way Trumpers define it and that's anyone who's not a Trumper, i.e., if you're not a loyal Trumper you're swamp.

Second is the way people with principles define it: corruption. And by that definition, Trump is factually the most corrupt President in modern times, maybe in history. He's the only President, for example, to have an actual ongoing emoluments lawsuit. The corruption bar you have to cross for that is massively high ... and Trump easily did!


(2.) Conservative intellectualism is dead.
We had big name and big thinkers like William F Buckley Jr, Fred Hayek, Milton Friedman, Russell Kirk who were true academic intellectuals ... slowly they gave way to more media intellectuals like George Will, Bill Kristol, and Krauthammer ... and now they've been pushed aside for the full blown fascist ding-dong crew of Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and Laura Ingraham.

The slide is easy to see: from conservative principles, to tribalism, and now full-blown fascism.


(3.) About 30% of the country is currently, reliably Trumper, and that hasn't grown.
Fox has risen, riding the tide of unprincipled Tribalism but ultimately the audience is capped. They can't grow as Trump State Television.

Further, they face a larger business risk: Trump himself. One way or another Trump will leave office (hopefully), and he controls the audience. He's not going to sit back and let Fox make the decisions and the profit. He's going to start his own Trump Media Service and Fox has to be ready for that with an independent brand beyond just Trump TV.

Fox has got to establish a credible conservative brand with some tie to intellectual principles and journalistic integrity - and they know they're circling the drain there.


(4.) Business risk of a receding tide.
Millennials are coming, and they're not Trumpers - they're mission driven, socially conscious, and fully mobile media consumers, who aren't afraid of immigration or global trade or losing their guns. Behind them is Gen Z who's even more mobile, more globally aware and have zero fears to manipulate.

Right now, Trump and Fox would die without a fearful audience they can emotionally manipulate.


(5.) Finally there's the call of history to answer.
There is absolutely no doubt that history will record Trump as the largest attack on American principles and values, potentially ever. He's openly attacking our process of justice, our constitutionally protected free press, and the aspirational notion that our President should tell the truth, defend American values over himself, and lead the free World as part of a team rather than compete with them as opponents.

Fox needs a credible argument they're not on Trump's side of history.
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