135i to 1M conversion whats req'd

JJ135i · 11-04-2011, 07:38 AM

Just want to know what parts are required to get everything under the 135i suspension, driveshaft wise etc so it would be as close to the 1M without looking like one.

Black Sheep · 11-04-2011, 07:53 AM

BrokenVert · 11-04-2011, 08:00 AM

A lot of time and money

IGoFast1589 · 11-04-2011, 08:12 AM

It's not that hard to make it perform as well, if not better, and looks are subjective.

cooler2442 · 11-04-2011, 08:16 AM

Yup just go pickup high quality aftermarket suspension components and your car will handle better than a 1M. Such as AST Coilovers, Quaife LSD, etccccc. It all depends how much time and $ you want to throw at it.

DownshiftArtist · 11-04-2011, 08:21 AM

If you want the appearance of the 1M, you can get the last 8 of the vin off of one and order the bumpers, exhaust, etc....although I'm not 100% sure that the 1M bumpers fit a 135 with the fender flares and all

IGoFast1589 · 11-04-2011, 08:34 AM

IMO, I think if a 135i had a good set of brake pads and high temperature brake fluid, a limited slip dif, reflash, M3 suspension links/dialed in alignment and a sticky set of rubber with a good driver you can be right on with a 1M without any issues or possibly faster.

GaryS · 11-04-2011, 08:42 AM

You should go for better than 1M, which is easy enough for suspension, tune, cooling, LSD and BBK.

Then add track wheels, better tires, the remaining M3 suspension parts, maybe an SSK.

Other stuff - I've heard 1M has a better gearbox and flywheel, better motor mounts, and better steering box. And there are the wide fenders and better brake ducts. Well, you decide what's worth doing.

IGoFast1589 · 11-04-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryS

You should go for better than 1M, which is easy enough for suspension, tune, cooling, LSD and BBK.

Then add track wheels, better tires, the remaining M3 suspension parts, maybe an SSK.

Other stuff - I've heard 1M has a better gearbox and flywheel, better motor mounts, and better steering box. And there are the wide fenders and better brake ducts. Well, you decide what's worth doing.

You just listed a ton of stuff. Haha

MZWIE · 11-04-2011, 08:58 AM

IMHO my 135 with tune and suspension mods is every bit, if not better than
1M.

I know for a fact that mine puts out more power. The dyno showed 370hp at the wheels.

As far as looks the only thingI would like are the wider fenders.

1speedbike · 11-04-2011, 09:33 AM

Suspension - Coilovers, M3 control arms, M3 rear subframe bushings, M3 sway bars

LSD - Pretty much any LSD, though I like OS Giken

Cooling - BMW performance power kit cooling components

Tune - Pretty much any tune

Brakes - Big Brake Kit

Tires - Decent tires. Star specs or Pilot Sports

Do all this and you'll be "beating" a 1M. You can be roughly equal with just a good set of coils, a tune, an LSD, and the cooling components. 135i have strong brakes, but they fade much quicker and aren't suited for the track, and a good set of aggressive coilovers will put you probably on par with a stock 1M which has a slightly softer setup and compensates with stiffer sway bars and subframe bushings (which is why so many 1Mers upgrade with coilovers).

Then you can get FMIC, Intake, Exhaust, Downpipes, Methanol, Strut bar, etc and be even faster. Anything the 1M can do, you can do

Except get really wide tires easily. That's the only thing we'll never really be able to do..

GaryS · 11-04-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by IGoFast1589

You just listed a ton of stuff. Haha

There are probably even more differences that I haven't heard about.

IGoFast1589 · 11-04-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryS

There are probably even more differences that I haven't heard about.

I meant that you listed a bunch of stuff to do to make the car faster than a 1M after saying it was easy. Just kinda funny is all...

I am sure you're right about that. Hardened motor mounts would be a nice improvement.

pixelblue · 11-04-2011, 10:23 AM

I don't even have a tune and my car has been faster around the track than a 1M and a e90 M3. so yeah it's not that hard making a 135 faster than a 1M if you don't mind not having the badge and honor of driving one

IGoFast1589 · 11-04-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pixelblue

I don't even have a tune and my car has been faster around the track than a 1M and a e90 M3. so yeah it's not that hard making a 135 faster than a 1M if you don't mind not having the badge and honor of driving one

I was just going to reference you and your ride. Minus an LSD or any additional power no less, but with super crazy person grip tires so... An impressive feat without a doubt.

pixelblue · 11-04-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by IGoFast1589

I was just going to reference you and your ride. Minus an LSD or any additional power no less, but with super crazy person grip tires so... An impressive feat without a doubt.

thanks! will be working on that lsd for next season. just have to bite the bullet and do it. letting go of $4k in this economic environment is somewhat hard to swallow but I am trying really hard not think rationally about all this

IGoFast1589 · 11-04-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pixelblue

thanks! will be working on that lsd for next season. just have to bite the bullet and do it. letting go of $4k in this economic environment is somewhat hard to swallow but I am trying really hard not think rationally about all this

Dude, you know VAC in PA? I think they're in PA at least... Anyway, they quoted me $2,9xx all said and done for doing a core swap with a Quaife leaving my car their for a week. I am pulling the trigger in early December. Spending $4k isn't necessary unless you want to drop big bucks. Granted, $2.9k is still some big dough but it's better than $4k+. Just send CJ there an email and he will hook you up with an estimate.

Who needs rational when you have a speed issue that requires attention way before anything else! Haha

BrokenVert · 11-04-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by IGoFast1589

Dude, you know VAC in PA? I think they're in PA at least... Anyway, they quoted me $2,9xx all said and done for doing a core swap with a Quaife leaving my car their for a week. I am pulling the trigger in early December. Spending $4k isn't necessary unless you want to drop big bucks. Granted, $2.9k is still some big dough but it's better than $4k+. Just send CJ there an email and he will hook you up with an estimate.

Who needs rational when you have a speed issue that requires attention way before anything else! Haha

Do you have an auto?

JJ135i · 11-04-2011, 10:53 AM

They are excellent responses,
It is not the look im after. I love the 135i current looks. I wanted to handling. Doesnt the 1M have an M3 rear axle etc. Well this is what i was meaning.

SO some decent suspension, LSD/ and should out handle a standard 1M.

EDIT: ANd as for sticking a M badge on the back. Pfffffft lol. I love the fact its not an M but can outperform most Ms

I dont want the badge. WHen i have a real M. It will be an honour.

IGoFast1589 · 11-04-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Do you have an auto?

Manual my friend... And my previous post was not a typo.

And they're not a bunch of monkeys with wrenches over there either

pixelblue · 11-04-2011, 11:33 AM

@Gofast I'm waiting for a quote from my shop. Got my eyes on a osgiken unit. Little pricier but more suited for the track. VAC is a good shop. I had called them last year. Problem was I couldn't leave the car and it wasn't convenient

IGoFast1589 · 11-04-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by pixelblue

@Gofast I'm waiting for a quote from my shop. Got my eyes on a osgiken unit. Little pricier but more suited for the track. VAC is a good shop. I had called them last year. Problem was I couldn't leave the car and it wasn't convenient

Nice, yeah I hear you. OS Giken uses clutch plates, right? How often do you need to replace or maintain those? You mean business.

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JJ135i Registered 3 Rep 2 Posts Drives: ST 225 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	135i to 1M conversion whats req'd Just want to know what parts are required to get everything under the 135i suspension, driveshaft wise etc so it would be as close to the 1M without looking like one.
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IGoFast1589 Captain 49 Rep 654 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NY iTrader: (2)	It's not that hard to make it perform as well, if not better, and looks are subjective.
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cooler2442 Brigadier General 477 Rep 4,154 Posts Drives: 1/18 Monte Carlo Blue E92 M3 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (6) Garage List 2016 Porsche GT4 [0.00]	Yup just go pickup high quality aftermarket suspension components and your car will handle better than a 1M. Such as AST Coilovers, Quaife LSD, etccccc. It all depends how much time and $ you want to throw at it.
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DownshiftArtist Enlisted Member 2 Rep 32 Posts Drives: 2009 135i M-Sport Join Date: May 2011 Location: Blue Bell, PA iTrader: (0)	If you want the appearance of the 1M, you can get the last 8 of the vin off of one and order the bumpers, exhaust, etc....although I'm not 100% sure that the 1M bumpers fit a 135 with the fender flares and all __________________ 09 135i M-Sport, Jet Black, Debadged, tinted, matte black grill, matte black wheels, JB4 Helix Motorsports ....Life's all about downshifts and illegal lane changes.....
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IGoFast1589 Captain 49 Rep 654 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NY iTrader: (2)	IMO, I think if a 135i had a good set of brake pads and high temperature brake fluid, a limited slip dif, reflash, M3 suspension links/dialed in alignment and a sticky set of rubber with a good driver you can be right on with a 1M without any issues or possibly faster.
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GaryS Colonel 37 Rep 2,084 Posts Drives: 2009 135i 6MT Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 135i [6.50]	You should go for better than 1M, which is easy enough for suspension, tune, cooling, LSD and BBK. Then add track wheels, better tires, the remaining M3 suspension parts, maybe an SSK. Other stuff - I've heard 1M has a better gearbox and flywheel, better motor mounts, and better steering box. And there are the wide fenders and better brake ducts. Well, you decide what's worth doing.
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MZWIE Lieutenant Colonel 388 Rep 1,660 Posts Drives: M2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: GEORGIA iTrader: (0)	IMHO my 135 with tune and suspension mods is every bit, if not better than 1M. I know for a fact that mine puts out more power. The dyno showed 370hp at the wheels. As far as looks the only thingI would like are the wider fenders.
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1speedbike Brigadier General 732 Rep 3,274 Posts Drives: 2022 X4 M40i, 2008 135i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: MKE iTrader: (15)	Suspension - Coilovers, M3 control arms, M3 rear subframe bushings, M3 sway bars LSD - Pretty much any LSD, though I like OS Giken Cooling - BMW performance power kit cooling components Tune - Pretty much any tune Brakes - Big Brake Kit Tires - Decent tires. Star specs or Pilot Sports Do all this and you'll be "beating" a 1M. You can be roughly equal with just a good set of coils, a tune, an LSD, and the cooling components. 135i have strong brakes, but they fade much quicker and aren't suited for the track, and a good set of aggressive coilovers will put you probably on par with a stock 1M which has a slightly softer setup and compensates with stiffer sway bars and subframe bushings (which is why so many 1Mers upgrade with coilovers). Then you can get FMIC, Intake, Exhaust, Downpipes, Methanol, Strut bar, etc and be even faster. Anything the 1M can do, you can do Except get really wide tires easily. That's the only thing we'll never really be able to do.. __________________ 2022 X4 M40i - 2008 135i - 2015 F700GS On Order - 2024 i4 M50 Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived... Mmhm.
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pixelblue Colonel 140 Rep 2,234 Posts Drives: the silver bullet Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: northern virginia iTrader: (2) Garage List 2010 135i [8.90]	I don't even have a tune and my car has been faster around the track than a 1M and a e90 M3. so yeah it's not that hard making a 135 faster than a 1M if you don't mind not having the badge and honor of driving one __________________ "I would quote everything pixelblue said, but you've already read it. Take it from someone who's put the 1 through its paces"
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JJ135i Registered 3 Rep 2 Posts Drives: ST 225 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	They are excellent responses, It is not the look im after. I love the 135i current looks. I wanted to handling. Doesnt the 1M have an M3 rear axle etc. Well this is what i was meaning. SO some decent suspension, LSD/ and should out handle a standard 1M. EDIT: ANd as for sticking a M badge on the back. Pfffffft lol. I love the fact its not an M but can outperform most Ms I dont want the badge. WHen i have a real M. It will be an honour.
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pixelblue Colonel 140 Rep 2,234 Posts Drives: the silver bullet Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: northern virginia iTrader: (2) Garage List 2010 135i [8.90]	@Gofast I'm waiting for a quote from my shop. Got my eyes on a osgiken unit. Little pricier but more suited for the track. VAC is a good shop. I had called them last year. Problem was I couldn't leave the car and it wasn't convenient __________________ "I would quote everything pixelblue said, but you've already read it. Take it from someone who's put the 1 through its paces"
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