BMW 1 Series Coupe Forum / 1 Series Convertible Forum (1M / tii / 135i / 128i / Coupe / Cabrio / Hatchback) (BMW E82 E88 128i 130i 135i)
 





 

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-15-2014, 07:04 PM   #23
TheSt|G
Resident Tamed Racing Driver
TheSt|G's Avatar
United_States
253
Rep
4,736
Posts

Drives: 911, 130is, E39 M5, E36 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Outside Philly

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kgolf31 View Post
Every car has its niche on an expensive replacement item. For the N51 it may very well be the fuel tank.

The S54s need rod bearings after hard tracking...and that isn't an expensive fix, yet people still do it. Suck it up and move on, IMO.
I agree, but nothing wrong with awareness.
__________________
2005 E46 M3 Interlagos/Cinnamon with Sunroof Delete
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2014, 08:08 PM   #24
Suprgnat
German cars and French tires.
Suprgnat's Avatar
United_States
865
Rep
1,719
Posts

Drives: 2013 128i LMB 6MT ZMP Slicktop
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: California

iTrader: (7)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSt|G View Post
I agree, but nothing wrong with awareness.
knowledge is power
Appreciate 0
      03-16-2014, 08:24 AM   #25
TheSt|G
Resident Tamed Racing Driver
TheSt|G's Avatar
United_States
253
Rep
4,736
Posts

Drives: 911, 130is, E39 M5, E36 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Outside Philly

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suprgnat View Post
knowledge is power
__________________
2005 E46 M3 Interlagos/Cinnamon with Sunroof Delete
Appreciate 0
      03-16-2014, 09:21 AM   #26
Southjersey128
Second Lieutenant
Southjersey128's Avatar
United_States
33
Rep
270
Posts

Drives: 2008 128i
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: South Jersey

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 BMW 128i  [5.00]
Has anyone on this site had a fuel pump problem yet? N51 or N52? In a perfect world they would source a pump that is that expensive from the japs. I've got plenty of Hondas and Toyotas with well over 250k on the clock that come into my shop and the pumps never go bad. On the other hand I've done too many e46 pumps to count.
__________________
Afe Scoops and CAI, PBX, BMS Paddleshift upgrade, 261M's Powder Coated Gunmetal, 225/255 Michelin PSS, (BMW Performance: BBK, Illuminated Door Sills, Shifter Knob and Boot, E-Brake Handle, Steering Wheel, Front Strut Bar), E93 FSB, E92 RSB, M3 Rear Subframe Bushings, M3 Front Control Arms, HPA coilover kit (Koni Adjustables and Swift Springs), Steel Brake Hoses, Black Kidneys, Smoked LED side markers, Blacklines, Msport lip spoiler...
Appreciate 0
      03-16-2014, 09:40 AM   #27
mb135is
Captain
39
Rep
912
Posts

Drives: '13 135is #180/586
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kgolf31 View Post
Every car has its niche on an expensive replacement item. For the N51 it may very well be the fuel tank.

The S54s need rod bearings after hard tracking...and that isn't an inexpensive fix, yet people still do it. Suck it up and move on, IMO.
I don't know, with the S54 you get, well, an S54. One expects higher running costs for a low tolerance, high output engine. And the S54 is one of a kind. You change rod bearings because it's driven as it's meant to. With the 128, there's a whole other N52 available that doesn't have this issue, and it's as sweet as engines come. Sucks when a typical maintenance item is so utterly complicated as to price people out of keeping the cars, and the 128 is supposed to be _the_ car to keep.

Hopefully y'all will figure something out to the contrary.
__________________

E82 '13 135is - Space Gray/Coral Red, 6 MT,
Heated Seats, 50% tint, clear bra, BMW Perf. Grilles, BMW Perf. CF Diffuser - #180/586
Appreciate 0
      03-16-2014, 10:56 AM   #28
TheSt|G
Resident Tamed Racing Driver
TheSt|G's Avatar
United_States
253
Rep
4,736
Posts

Drives: 911, 130is, E39 M5, E36 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Outside Philly

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southjersey128 View Post
Has anyone on this site had a fuel pump problem yet? N51 or N52? In a perfect world they would source a pump that is that expensive from the japs. I've got plenty of Hondas and Toyotas with well over 250k on the clock that come into my shop and the pumps never go bad. On the other hand I've done too many e46 pumps to count.
I just assume that like cooling systems, fuel pumps are a 100k item in BMW world.
Appreciate 0
      03-16-2014, 11:51 AM   #29
128
Enlisted Member
0
Rep
47
Posts

Drives: 2013 Lemans Blue 128i ZMP 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: San Jose CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSt|G View Post
I just assume that like cooling systems, fuel pumps are a 100k item in BMW world.
I can tell you the main pump lasted forever in the e28/e30 days. Only the in tank prepumps fail routinely.
Appreciate 0
      03-16-2014, 01:14 PM   #30
kobeballer96
Major
kobeballer96's Avatar
United_States
129
Rep
1,495
Posts

Drives: 6SPD E82
Join Date: May 2013
Location: North Carolina

iTrader: (4)

I honestly rather have a s2000 engine and boost it in my e82 lol if it came down to spending that money on expensive parts, for a faction of the cost your on your way to swap with more reliability and fun!
__________________
Black Wrapped Roof, BFG Rivals, Dinan Camber plates, M3 Steering wheel, Matte Black kidney Grills, H&R Sport springs,
Sparco assetto gara,Pagid sport Brakepads,STOPTECH Slotted Rotors,
DISA STG3,EURO BOX
Appreciate 0
      03-16-2014, 02:39 PM   #31
TheSt|G
Resident Tamed Racing Driver
TheSt|G's Avatar
United_States
253
Rep
4,736
Posts

Drives: 911, 130is, E39 M5, E36 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Outside Philly

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 128 View Post
I can tell you the main pump lasted forever in the e28/e30 days. Only the in tank prepumps fail routinely.
That's the one we are talking about; the underseat in tank pump.
Appreciate 0
      03-17-2014, 11:02 AM   #32
Black Prinz
Private First Class
United_States
12
Rep
134
Posts

Drives: 09E82N51
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Poconos, PA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSt|G View Post
Got a link to that just so everyone has confirmation?
http://workshop-manuals.com/bmw/3_se...or_(us_cars_w/

Fuel pump is a separate procedure pg 575-577
__________________
Max (ex-Halogen Hal) the Black Prinz
09E82N51 | Bilstein B12 Prokit+ [B8+(Eibach Pro Springs + Eibach Anti-roll kit + MeyleHD endlinks)] | Dinan Camber Plate & Rear Shockmount | M3\1M F&R Control Arms + M Bushing kit[RSFB + I&O camber link + trailing arm] | 1M Strut Tower Brace | ECS Performance Trailing Arms | Goodridge G-Stop SS Brakeline kit | Depo V2 | AFE Stage 2 SI
Appreciate 0
      03-17-2014, 12:58 PM   #33
TheSt|G
Resident Tamed Racing Driver
TheSt|G's Avatar
United_States
253
Rep
4,736
Posts

Drives: 911, 130is, E39 M5, E36 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Outside Philly

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Prinz View Post
http://workshop-manuals.com/bmw/3_se...or_(us_cars_w/

Fuel pump is a separate procedure pg 575-577
So pump is normal, regulator requires fuel tank(and all fittings) replacement.

Nice find.
__________________
2005 E46 M3 Interlagos/Cinnamon with Sunroof Delete
Appreciate 0
      03-17-2014, 02:07 PM   #34
Fume
First Lieutenant
45
Rep
382
Posts

Drives: '19 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Prinz View Post
http://workshop-manuals.com/bmw/3_se...or_(us_cars_w/

Fuel pump is a separate procedure pg 575-577
Is the 3 series N51 the same as 128i N51?
__________________

New Car: 2019 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS | Stock for now
Old Car: 2013 BMW 128i | 6MT | BMW Performance Grills | CDV Delete | SSK | Performance Exhaust | M3 RSFB | TCKR DA

Appreciate 0
      03-17-2014, 03:31 PM   #35
TheSt|G
Resident Tamed Racing Driver
TheSt|G's Avatar
United_States
253
Rep
4,736
Posts

Drives: 911, 130is, E39 M5, E36 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Outside Philly

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fume View Post
Is the 3 series N51 the same as 128i N51?
Logic would dictate that they are the same, so I would assume yes until information to the contrary appears.
__________________
2005 E46 M3 Interlagos/Cinnamon with Sunroof Delete
Appreciate 0
      05-20-2014, 08:37 PM   #36
LuisBoston
Lieutenant Colonel
LuisBoston's Avatar
126
Rep
1,677
Posts

Drives: '18 330xiT; '13 128i
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Boston

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2007 328xi  [0.00]
Interesting thread. I have a new hypothesis of why my brand new 128i needed a new fuel tank.

I picked it up Euro delivery, and on the second day I couldn't find an open gas station (it was Sunday) in a good chunk of rural France. I ran the thing almost completely dry until I got to Nice where I was able to fill up. During this trip, the pump would always click off - it wouldn't let me continuously pump gas - I had to feather it to get gas into the tank.

I return to the US, get the car two months later, and have the same problem. Dealer had to replace the fuel tank due to a "sensor". Since I haven't had one problem, except a couple of weeks ago when the pump didn't click off and it overfilled.

Could it be that I often run the tank very low? I thought it was fixed when they replaced my fuel tank in my brand new 128i (N51).
__________________
2018 BMW 330xiT Sunset Orange/Oyster. Shadow Sport, Track Handling, Premium, Adaptive M Suspension, HK.
2013 BMW 128i 6MT MGM/CR. M-sport/Premium/Cold, HK, Xenons, BMW SSK and PE. ED 7-12-2013.
SOLD: 2007 328xi 6MT BSM/Terra
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...future+classic
Appreciate 0
      05-21-2014, 06:25 AM   #37
TheSt|G
Resident Tamed Racing Driver
TheSt|G's Avatar
United_States
253
Rep
4,736
Posts

Drives: 911, 130is, E39 M5, E36 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Outside Philly

iTrader: (2)

Generally running the tank dry/extremely low is incredibly wearing on fuel pumps/related components. The motors are cooled by the flow of fuel. It is very common for people to run out of gas and then have their fuel pump fail within 100 miles of that.
Appreciate 1
sixburgh130.00

      05-21-2014, 04:43 PM   #38
MarkkyyMan
Captain
MarkkyyMan's Avatar
United_States
28
Rep
714
Posts

Drives: 2010 BMW 128i
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Indiana, U.S.

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSt|G View Post
Generally running the tank dry/extremely low is incredibly wearing on fuel pumps/related components. The motors are cooled by the flow of fuel. It is very common for people to run out of gas and then have their fuel pump fail within 100 miles of that.
Anyone who has ever owned a late 90's/early 2000's General Motors truck/suv/van knows this.

People run them close to E, with the fuel pump hot they then fill them up with fuel, which shocks the pump and boom bye bye fuel pump. Had several friends do this in high school.
Appreciate 0
      03-17-2019, 10:31 AM   #39
Southjersey128
Second Lieutenant
Southjersey128's Avatar
United_States
33
Rep
270
Posts

Drives: 2008 128i
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: South Jersey

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 BMW 128i  [5.00]
I put a fuel pump in my N51 car yesterday. I had a crank, start then stall, then crank no start after getting coffee on my way to work. After telling the Wawa employees I was going to get it towed, I figured let me bang on the tank where the pump is before I walk home. Fired right, so figured 90k miles and 11 years old is proper service for a BMW pump. I googled n51 fuel pump when I got home and saw that I commented on this 5 years ago. Thought it was funny because I put a fuel pump in an e46 the other day and thought to myself, wonder when mine is going to go bad. Murphy's law, it was later this week.
__________________
Afe Scoops and CAI, PBX, BMS Paddleshift upgrade, 261M's Powder Coated Gunmetal, 225/255 Michelin PSS, (BMW Performance: BBK, Illuminated Door Sills, Shifter Knob and Boot, E-Brake Handle, Steering Wheel, Front Strut Bar), E93 FSB, E92 RSB, M3 Rear Subframe Bushings, M3 Front Control Arms, HPA coilover kit (Koni Adjustables and Swift Springs), Steel Brake Hoses, Black Kidneys, Smoked LED side markers, Blacklines, Msport lip spoiler...
Appreciate 0
      04-03-2019, 10:10 PM   #40
tehrui
New Member
8
Rep
19
Posts

Drives: 2009 128i
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

I had the fuel pump on my N51 fail on me, took a while to figure out what it was. Car would randomly shut off and refuse to turn on until it sat for about ~30 min.

Needless to say, did some research and was able to have the fuel pump and other misc. parts associated with it replaced under warranty thanks to SULEV. I have a 2009 128i and it had about 90k on the odometer at the time. The dealership gave me a crazy quote ($1k+) to do the work so I had to educate them on SULEV. After a few calls back and forth their warranty department finally agreed it was covered.

If anyone has questions about the process feel free to ask. No reason any SULEV owner should pay for this out of pocket.
Appreciate 0
      04-04-2019, 08:44 AM   #41
JimD
Brigadier General
JimD's Avatar
293
Rep
3,435
Posts

Drives: 128i convertible
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lexington, SC

iTrader: (0)

I guess if it is covered under warranty this "solution" wouldn't make much sense but is it possible for the N51 owners just to use N52 parts if they experience a failure and the warranty doesn't cover it?

I have N52 but am a little bit interested because some day I need to look into why I keep getting the "gas cap code" and a check engine light in my car. I think the evaporative control system is one of the most useless things on the car so I have not been anxious about it but someday I would like the light to go out. Figuring out where all the pieces of the system are is one reason I have not worked on it. The light has been on for more than a year at this point.
__________________
128i Convertible, MT, Alpine White, Black Top, Taupe Leatherette, Walnut, Sport
Ordered 5/22/09, Completed 6/4/09, At Port 6/9/09, On the Georgia Highway 6/13/09, Ship Arrived Charleston 6/24/09 at 10pm, PCD 7/21/09
Appreciate 0
      07-06-2019, 09:39 PM   #42
thedabmane
Private
3
Rep
82
Posts

Drives: 09 128i
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Connecticut

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimD View Post
I guess if it is covered under warranty this "solution" wouldn't make much sense but is it possible for the N51 owners just to use N52 parts if they experience a failure and the warranty doesn't cover it?

I have N52 but am a little bit interested because some day I need to look into why I keep getting the "gas cap code" and a check engine light in my car. I think the evaporative control system is one of the most useless things on the car so I have not been anxious about it but someday I would like the light to go out. Figuring out where all the pieces of the system are is one reason I have not worked on it. The light has been on for more than a year at this point.
You might just need to replace the gas cap.. especially if itís the original one. The seal goes bad so I would try that before jumping to conclusions!
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2019, 05:46 PM   #43
jdagostino
New Member
2
Rep
5
Posts

Drives: bmw 1 series
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: california

iTrader: (0)

Hi, I just bought a 2012 128i SULEV, do you know if I would be covered 150K miles if I had issue with this. I just realized it was SULEV after I did the deal. I am a little freaked out now about having bought the car.
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2019, 05:50 PM   #44
jdagostino
New Member
2
Rep
5
Posts

Drives: bmw 1 series
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: california

iTrader: (0)

Unhappy

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimD View Post
I guess if it is covered under warranty this "solution" wouldn't make much sense but is it possible for the N51 owners just to use N52 parts if they experience a failure and the warranty doesn't cover it?

I have N52 but am a little bit interested because some day I need to look into why I keep getting the "gas cap code" and a check engine light in my car. I think the evaporative control system is one of the most useless things on the car so I have not been anxious about it but someday I would like the light to go out. Figuring out where all the pieces of the system are is one reason I have not worked on it. The light has been on for more than a year at this point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tehrui View Post
I had the fuel pump on my N51 fail on me, took a while to figure out what it was. Car would randomly shut off and refuse to turn on until it sat for about ~30 min.


Needless to say, did some research and was able to have the fuel pump and other misc. parts associated with it replaced under warranty thanks to SULEV. I have a 2009 128i and it had about 90k on the odometer at the time. The dealership gave me a crazy quote ($1k+) to do the work so I had to educate them on SULEV. After a few calls back and forth their warranty department finally agreed it was covered.

If anyone has questions about the process feel free to ask. No reason any SULEV owner should pay for this out of pocket.

Hi, I just bought a 2012 128i SULEV, do you know if I would be covered 150K miles if I had issue with this. I just realized it was SULEV after I did the deal. I am a little freaked out now about having bought the car. I am super confused now.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:14 PM.




1addicts
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST