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      09-02-2012, 10:05 AM   #155
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I received mine the other day. Highly recommend Joe from Apex, looked after me and got me the wheels real quick.

I went with recommended 1M fitment, 18x9.5 et22 and 18x10.5 et 27. Tires are Toyo R888 265/35 F and 295/30 R. No issues with fitment other than minor rubbing at full lock but even the stock wheels did that.



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Take your pics to show off the concave profiles, straight shots = yes we know. I'm very curous about how these look as you are say, in a car behind yours and I change lanes to be behind-next to you. Show us!
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Those look really nice and aggressive. You are lucky you can run those offsets and get that concave look. My breytons have just enough to look good but I know the 135 offsets on the EC7's are much flatter looking from the pics. I still think I like them though. I would love to run 295's like yours. I thnk the most a 135 can get away with is 275's with the ARC 8's and some camber. Not sure if anyone ha gone bigger. I am spinning tire from a roll in 2nd with e85 and a more aggressive tune right now on these 255 hankooks.

I actually just saw a 1M V Orange with an old laddy driving it, she must of been in her 70's.lol I guess speed knows no age or gender limits.
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Took the opportunity to get new tires. PSS 235/40 up front and 265/40 in the rear. Shop that mounted them said it was very close in the back but so far no rubbing at all (even at full lock in the front). Running Dinan Stage 1 suspension with GC camber plates (about -1.5 of camber).
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Took the opportunity to get new tires. PSS 235/40 up front and 265/40 in the rear. Shop that mounted them said it was very close in the back but so far no rubbing at all (even at full lock in the front). Running Dinan Stage 1 suspension with GC camber plates (about -1.5 of camber).
how low are u up front?
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I received mine the other day. Highly recommend Joe from Apex, looked after me and got me the wheels real quick.

I went with recommended 1M fitment, 18x9.5 et22 and 18x10.5 et 27. Tires are Toyo R888 265/35 F and 295/30 R. No issues with fitment other than minor rubbing at full lock but even the stock wheels did that.
Glad I could help you out and thank you for the pictures. The lip spoiler and splitter in combination with the wheels really helps bring the car together.
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Took the opportunity to get new tires. PSS 235/40 up front and 265/40 in the rear. Shop that mounted them said it was very close in the back but so far no rubbing at all (even at full lock in the front). Running Dinan Stage 1 suspension with GC camber plates (about -1.5 of camber).
That is a really tall rear tire, we are surprised you got that to fit. Kudos to you The car looks great!
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I just got my wheels in about a week ago and just had them mounted. I decided to go with the "race silver" finish which IMO for whatver reason looks better than the finish on the apex arc-8s ive seen (though it might be the exact same color).

I decided to get conti dw tires in 225/255 for this application because i wanted to run a softer tire for the street. I also had a theory that "slightly" stretched tires handle a little better for cornering and steering, so i decided to try it out.

Wheel Pros

-great finish
-greatly improves the look of the car
-nice offset in the front
-handling has greatly improved
-faster steering while not being lighter, very direct
-car tracks straighter and goes exactly where you want it

Wheel Cons

Rear offset, and this deserves some explanation. Apex decides to go with a +58? You kidding me? All other wheels have a +50 option which doesnt rub unless the car has very wide tires, or most likely, is extremely low.

The +58 offset calculates to a 7mm increase in offset from the stock wheels, which is negligeable and quite honestly not enough of a change. The offset should have been at least a +53, if not a +50. The fact that someone would have to consider running a spacer on these wheels to get the offset to look proper is ridiculous in wheels made for the 135i. What makes it even worse is that the front offset is quite aggressive and looks strange compared to the weak offset in the rear. Very disappointing, and is the only thing that prevents these from being the perfect wheel.

Overall, im still very happy with them, but the offset issue sucks. And no, i dont believe a 265 tire would have changed the offset enough to alleviate this issue. That would also not change the fact that the front and rear offsets are so far off, with the fronts being much more aggressive than the rear.

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      09-06-2012, 11:10 AM   #163
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totally reversed the numbers. It's 235/40 up front and 265/35 in the back!

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Glad I could help you out and thank you for the pictures. The lip spoiler and splitter in combination with the wheels really helps bring the car together.


That is a really tall rear tire, we are surprised you got that to fit. Kudos to you The car looks great!
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      09-06-2012, 11:24 AM   #164
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totally reversed the numbers. It's 235/40 up front and 265/35 in the back!
Sharp looking car. Enjoy your new wheels.
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great looking wheels. I wanted to get a set yesterday but because of my ER kit, i have to wait another week or so for the fronts. Ill post pics when I get them on.
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Took the opportunity to get new tires. PSS 235/40 up front and 265/40 in the rear. Shop that mounted them said it was very close in the back but so far no rubbing at all (even at full lock in the front). Running Dinan Stage 1 suspension with GC camber plates (about -1.5 of camber).

That looks just like my car. What finish are the wheels?
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      09-06-2012, 12:48 PM   #167
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KennyPowers,
What suspension are you running? Im on the iPhone app so if it's in your sig, I can't see it.
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      09-06-2012, 02:18 PM   #168
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The finish is Anthracite.

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That looks just like my car. What finish are the wheels?
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Rear offset, and this deserves some explanation. Apex decides to go with a +58? You kidding me? All other wheels have a +50 option which doesnt rub unless the car has very wide tires, or most likely, is extremely low.

The +58 offset calculates to a 7mm increase in offset from the stock wheels, which is negligeable and quite honestly not enough of a change. The offset should have been at least a +53, if not a +50. The fact that someone would have to consider running a spacer on these wheels to get the offset to look proper is ridiculous in wheels made for the 135i. What makes it even worse is that the front offset is quite aggressive and looks strange compared to the weak offset in the rear. Very disappointing, and is the only thing that prevents these from being the perfect wheel.

Overall, im still very happy with them, but the offset issue sucks. And no, i dont believe a 265 tire would have changed the offset enough to alleviate this issue. That would also not change the fact that the front and rear offsets are so far off, with the fronts being much more aggressive than the rear.
Let me explain the EC-7 offsets in more detail, as the offsets were selected with a very specific need in mind.

The ARC-8 and EC-7 wheel fitments are for performance oriented applications and not geared towards aesthetic only applications. This is a very important distinction as the fitment has to be different if the wheels are designed correctly.

A performance fitment implies that wide, meaty tires fit properly. Fitting wide tires is the goal, and making sure those tires fit under the fender is vital. A flush offset would guarantee fender issues, and that is a serious issue for a vehicle driven hard as rubbing/cutting of the tire could occur under extreme loads. Our priority is to make the car faster.

An aesthetic fitment is usually oriented towards being flush. The trade off is tire fitment/performance. To be flush, tires must be narrower and stretched, and/or a model tire that runs narrow compared to other tires in the same size.

We designed the EC-7 18x9.5" ET58 to fit properly with very meaty 265/35/18 tires, and in certain circumstances with careful attention 275/35/18 tires. higher 1 series specific offsets are needed to fit a tire like that. They simply will not fit properly with lower offset wheels.

The 18x9.5" ET50~ wheels you mention are very street oriented fitments and they sacrifice tire fitment. You cannot mount extreme summer tires or r-compounds in 265/35/18 or wider at 9.5" ET50 or lower without significant modifications to the rear fenders. Heavy rolling or pulling is usually not an option for most members. The ideal tire sizes for wheels with low offsets like that are 245/35/18 (stock size), and even then rolling is needed for a rub free fitment in certain cases. With extra work 255's can fit, but they are general more conservative street tires, or on applications that would significantly under perform in a competitive environment (auto-cross, track day, race...) compared to a proper fitment.

You selected Continental tires which run narrow compared to other brands. 255/35/18 is already stretched on a 9.5" wheel and it will exaggerate the conservative rear fitment due to the gap between the tire and the fender. A 265/35/18 would fill the rear much more but even a 265/35/18 Continental looks a bit stretched on a 9.5" wheel compared to many other models of the same size. An even meatier tire model/brand would fill the rear more without issue.

The ARC-8 wheel for comparison was spec'ed based on research by Berk Technology, and many other test fitments locally and from other vendors. Knowing that very few members actually needed a fitment as aggressive as their's, we lowered the offset by 4mm to ET58 in order to push the fitment out as much as possible without sacrificing the 265 fitment that 80% of the community is running on that width.

The fronts are aggressive in comparison due to the required offsets for a proper fit. There is very limited strut tube and fender clearance on a 1 series, and an 8.5" wheel pushes both those limitations on a stock car. These wheels were not intended to be optimal for 225 tires as that would sacrifice proper fitment for wider tires. The AERO-7 wheel on the other hand wheel was designed specifically for a 225 tire which is why it comes in an 8" width and a 45mm offset, which is much more street oriented.

The ideal fitment of the 8.5" front wheels are with camber plates in combination with wider tires such as 245/35/18 or even 255/35/18 with extra work. With camber plates the fronts would be tilted in more which makes them look less aggressive at the top. The front offset is needed to properly clear the strut tube as there is zero extra room to push an 8.5" wheel further in towards the suspension. It can only move further out.

If aesthetics are a priority, the rear can be spacer'ed out which is the benefit of a more conservative offset. The center bore on these wheels was designed so that the wheel maintains proper hub contact even when used with a 3-5mm flat spacer. There would be no issue pushing the offset out further if you would like to optimize your fitment for your 255 Continental tires.

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That was a legit response.
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That was a legit response.
+1, thanks for the well-thought out response, Eddy.
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      09-06-2012, 07:17 PM   #172
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The Hyper Silver on Black looks really nice - an OEM ++ look.
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Thats exactly why i bought these!
Glad u guys made the perfect wheel for us!
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I just got my wheels in about a week ago and just had them mounted. I decided to go with the "race silver" finish which IMO for whatver reason looks better than the finish on the apex arc-8s ive seen (though it might be the exact same color).

I decided to get conti dw tires in 225/255 for this application because i wanted to run a softer tire for the street. I also had a theory that "slightly" stretched tires handle a little better for cornering and steering, so i decided to try it out.

Wheel Pros

-great finish
-greatly improves the look of the car
-nice offset in the front
-handling has greatly improved
-faster steering while not being lighter, very direct
-car tracks straighter and goes exactly where you want it

Wheel Cons

Rear offset, and this deserves some explanation. Apex decides to go with a +58? You kidding me? All other wheels have a +50 option which doesnt rub unless the car has very wide tires, or most likely, is extremely low.

The +58 offset calculates to a 7mm increase in offset from the stock wheels, which is negligeable and quite honestly not enough of a change. The offset should have been at least a +53, if not a +50. The fact that someone would have to consider running a spacer on these wheels to get the offset to look proper is ridiculous in wheels made for the 135i. What makes it even worse is that the front offset is quite aggressive and looks strange compared to the weak offset in the rear. Very disappointing, and is the only thing that prevents these from being the perfect wheel.

Overall, im still very happy with them, but the offset issue sucks. And no, i dont believe a 265 tire would have changed the offset enough to alleviate this issue. That would also not change the fact that the front and rear offsets are so far off, with the fronts being much more aggressive than the rear.

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Wow! Why such narrow tires? These wheels are like the ARC-8s, made to fit rubber. You should go w/ Breytons if you want looks. The EC-7 IMO is a track wheel, that happens to look halfway decent.
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Wow! Why such narrow tires? These wheels are like the ARC-8s, made to fit rubber. You should go w/ Breytons if you want looks. The EC-7 IMO is a track wheel, that happens to look halfway decent.
They are 10mm narrower than the max tire size, not sure how that is "sooo narrow".

Also not sure why aesthetics and performance can't coexist.

It's not like the 135 is a racecar. The offset IMO could be 5mm more aggressive and look better, and still fit a 265 tire.

Anyway, to each their own. IMO a 265 still wouldn't totally fill the fenders.

Like I said, I really like the wheels but wanted a more aggressive rear offset.

Eddy has some valid points which I will respond to later. Overall, great wheels. I've gotten compliments on the wheels already
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Hey Apex peeps,
Thanks for the rims they look great in the boxes but need to be put on the car lol!!- i ended up going with the recomended sizes instead of the +43 on the rear.

I was looking at the Yoko Advan ad08. Are you at all familar with the way this tire sits?
I was about to fit the 235/40 F and 265/35 R but thought to double check. Keen to hear you views for this set up on stock m-sport suspension, no fender roll.. thanks!

p.s. i dont want any rub lol.
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