135i vs 1M Comparison for Members

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

HUH? I never said anything about tuners needing to sell their shop 135. Besides you state that the ONLY opinion that matters is the tuners. Sounds like you are drinking the tuner KoolAid. I weigh many different opinions from many different sources which include professional drivers, journalist, BMW engineers etc....



Come talk to me when you have done all of this...

Courtesy of rldzhao:
Original Thread: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ght=suspension

I am a lot closer than you think. M3 suspension bits (wishbones, rear bushings, etc, etc...already have the front sway...you don't need the rear sway) and the LSD...and dedicated track wheels/tires is next on the list(the price for all of that stuff is less than $10k...coupled with the value of the '08 135i ~$28-29k means that the 1M is not worth it for me at the moment...for me guys..). M3's could barely keep up at the track with my car in its current config. You guys are just not getting my point about an existing owner of a 135i not wanting to so-called trade "up" for a 1M. If I didn't have a tuned 135i AND was in the market for a NEW car the 1M would be #1 on my list....hands down.

Originally Posted by techthentic

You realize their livelihood is completely dependent on people tuning their cars right? Not meaning any offense to HPAutowerks, I have mad respect for them. But when it comes to tuning, you really want to only gauge opinions from people with no affiliation, try and get unbiased opinions, and even then, considering most people don't like admitting to making a poor purchase, you really got to try out things yourselves.

What are they selling with their comments? Did they link to something saying they are selling the car? I didn't even know they were selling the car until it was mentioned in this thread by someone other than HPAutowerks. You can't just gauge opinions from people with no affiliation because it is really hard to know if they know anything at all, at least Harold and company have a body of work on the forum that makes their opinions at least believable. They also rarely come into threads just tooting their own vendor horn (like some others have done....you know who they are the usual suspects).

Originally Posted by techthentic

I've driven many of my friend's cars that have been tuned to match or best their "superior" brothers (especially my buddy's 335i with jb, m3 suspension bits, lsd, etc), on top of my own civic and wrx that I tuned to best civic si, and wrx sti. While I can talk my mouth off of how mine would best their brothers on a track, once I finally drove a civic si and a wrx sti, there is no match to the rush and just how put together they are. But building my civic and wrx sure was fun. But I now realize how retard I used to sound running my mouth that my tuned civic and wrx were better than a si and sti.

You think you were retarded for thinking your tuned car was better than a STI? Tell me were your tuned cars faster around the track? Were they near or even around the track? WAs the difference in cost justified by the extra two or three little letters on the car?

[MrRoboto]

adrean8j, just want to clarify one thing. Can you please tell us what tuning options you have done to your 135? You seem to be quite confident in the abilities of a tuned 135 but I see statements like "if I had a car tuned to 1M levels, etc"

Want to know that you are speaking with some level of experience rather then simply offering opinions based on what others (product vendors) have said and that you have track experience. Not just throwing a bunch of parts on the car so you can cruise the blvd.

[rad doc]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

Seriously? The difference is with a current 135i that is mildly tuned you can slowly add those parts as you get the money right? Save for a few months and then get the M3 Suspension bits...a few more months and then get coilovers.

Exactly my thoughts and plans with the 1M. I am just starting with the better car to begin with (stock vs stock). It may not be relevant to the original discussion but by my logic 1M + 5-10k mods>>>>>> 135+5-10k mods That's where I am heading! Plus styling counts. While personal opinion, I think the project clockwork orange 1m by FLEX///M looks better than any 135i.

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

I am a lot closer than you think. M3 suspension bits (wishbones, rear bushings, etc, etc...already have the front sway...you don't need the rear sway) and the LSD...and dedicated track wheels/tires is next on the list(the price for all of that stuff is less than $10k...coupled with the value of the '08 135i ~$28-29k means that the 1M is not worth it for me at the moment...for me guys..). M3's could barely keep up at the track with my car in its current config......?

You keep rolling your eyes like we are all retarded... Well enlighten us....."wishbones, rear bushings etc..."? What exactly have you done? How much has all of this cost you to date and how much more do you plan to spend in the next year? Have you done a wide body conversion to accommodate the M3 suspension components? $10k for all of what? My friend just spent $3k on his Dinan LSD plus labor!

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

You keep rolling your eyes like we are all retarded... Well enlighten us....."wishbones, rear bushings etc..."? What exactly have you done? How much has all of this cost you to date and how much more do you plan to spend in the next year? Have you done a wide body conversion to accommodate the M3 suspension components? $10k for all of what? My friend just spent $3k on his Dinan LSD plus labor!

I'll take a stab at this one. adrean8j...are we on the right track?

Performance Mods
KW V1 coilovers
Riss Racing catless downpipes
Riss Racing oil catch can
SSTT
Riss Racing air scoops
Riss Racing dual-diverter valve
Vorsteiner V-302 wheels: 19 x 8,5 front and 19 x 9,0 rear

Exterior
BMW Performance front bumper
BMW Performance carbon fiber splitters
BMW Performance carbon fibre mirrors
BMW Performance side skirts
BMW Performance rear spoiler

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

I'll take a stab at this one. adrean8j...are we on the right track?

Performance Mods
KW V1 coilovers
Riss Racing catless downpipes
Riss Racing oil catch can
SSTT
Riss Racing air scoops
Riss Racing dual-diverter valve
Vorsteiner V-302 wheels: 19 x 8,5 front and 19 x 9,0 rear

Exterior
BMW Performance front bumper
BMW Performance carbon fiber splitters
BMW Performance carbon fibre mirrors
BMW Performance side skirts
BMW Performance rear spoiler

My discussion is more specific to the chassis/suspension, which I feel makes the 1M so extraordinary. All i see is coilovers on that list. The engine/tuning will be pretty close between the two cars.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

My discussion is more specific to the chassis/suspension, which I feel makes the 1M so extraordinary. All i see is coilovers on that list. The engine/tuning will be pretty close between the two cars.

I agree, it's that adrean8j has been saying how much better a tuned 135 is compared the 1M and I was hoping he could shed some light on his mods and experience. A quick google search turned up the above list of mods he has on his 135. Not sure if it is current or accurate. If it is then he is a long way from a tuned 135 comparable to the 1M.

[Franklin Joseph]

from his 'garage'

General Details
Lasted Updated: 05-14-2011
Year: 2008
Model: 135i
Color: SGM
Transmission: Manual
Interior seat/trim color: Terra

Package Options: Sport
Ipod/USB
Premium HiFi
Sirius Radio
Heated Seats

Exterior Modifications
GP Thunder 8500 lamps
BMW Performance Front Bumper
BMW Performance SideSkirts
OEM Shadowline Kidney grills
CF Mirrors
CF Splitters
CF Rear Deck lid Spoiler
Shadowline 135i emblem
Vorsteiner vented CF hood
Vorsteiner V-302 19" Forged Wheels

Interior Modifications
Ultimate Pedals
Garmin Nuvi 265WT
Escort 9500i
CF cloth moldings
B&M SSK

Performance/Handling Modifications
KW V1 Coil-overs
B&M SSK
Maddad Whisper Axelback
Maddad Resonated Mid-pipe
Riss Racing Catless Down-pipes
Injen Dual Cone Intake
Yokohama Advan Neova
(225/35/19, 255/30/19)
HPF FMIC
Vishnu Procede V3 Rev II PNP
JIC CF Strutbar
Hotchkis Front Swaybar

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

My discussion is more specific to the chassis/suspension, which I feel makes the 1M so extraordinary. All i see is coilovers on that list. The engine/tuning will be pretty close between the two cars.

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

I agree, it's that adrean8j has been saying how much better a tuned 135 is compared the 1M and I was hoping he could shed some light on his mods and experience. A quick google search turned up the above list of mods he has on his 135. Not sure if it is current or accurate. If it is then he is a long way from a tuned 135 comparable to the 1M.

Not that far at all:

M3 suspension bits,
90% of installation is DIY:
$1677.23 (I can get less than that)
M3 Rear Bushing kit
Front tension rods
Wishbones and the vertical headlight aim adjuster rod
Rear guide rods
Rear upper control arms with correct ABS wire brackets
Rear toe link kit

LSD:
Quife Final Drive Unit
$2588 W/exchange

1/2 the above price if you have an automatic

New Coilovers w/targeted spring rates and vorschlag camber plates:
$2000

Total: $6,225.23 before labor...still substantially less than $10k I quoted earlier. Add lightweight APEX ARC-8 wheels and tires and that puts me at roughly $10k....Guys I am not a mechanical engineer, but I have been on this forum for a while....I have done tons of research (even before I bought the 135i I was on the forum for a few months). I never said once that the 135i is a "better" car than the 1M....I just don't think the 1M is a HUGE step up compared to a tuned 135i....even with "comparable" mods. Take for example back in the E46 days....without extensive engine work a tuned 330i ZHP was still not even a close match for an E46 M3 in stock form. It was a HUGE jump to that next level. That is all I am saying. I do HPDE's and I have done a couple AutoX's (prefer HPDE's any day of the week though). I have not finished with the "upgrades" on my car due to me being in the middle east at the moment. I have some good connections within BMW (in other words i can get the discounts to make it worth my while) and this is better than dropping $50k+ on a new 1M...wish they had brought it out when I was in the market back in '08

[cnotesdip]

im in the market for a 1 series, either a 135i or a 1 M. The 1 M are hard to come by the cheapest one i have found is going 59k at my local Bmw dealer its 2011 but the price has gone up i found some guy selling his on eBay for 80k. So for about 25-30k i can buy a 135i i can drop about 10k in mods and make more power than a 1 m and handle close to one, still i won't have any of the M goodies like the steering wheel bumpers. But for a 30k difference who cares

Then i read thru the listing of the guy who wanted 80k for his 1 M

BMW introduced the 1M Coupe in 2011 as a 1 year production only.

There will be no 2012 models made!

BMW once did this in 2001 with a car named Z8, to this day, 10 years later, the Z8 is selling for $100-$150K. BMW made 5700 Z8s.

There is only 2700 1Ms made! Imagine what these cars will sell 5 or 10 years from now.

Only 740 1M's came to United States. This car will be a true BMW Collector automobile. Be part of BMW's history.

My Bmw local dealer confirmed it was a limited production vehicle, i did a quick search of a z8 and the prices are pretty high.

no one mention the Value of a 1 M, i can basically buy a 1 M drive it for 5 years then sale it and still get what i pay for or even more, i don't see the value of a 135i going up

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

^^Uggghhh..... btw... Captian Slow... your 1M Coupe has an inline six and not a V6! You better fix your info: "Drives a v6 manual".

LOL. LOL. But my manual says I have a Hi Performance V8?

; )

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by nachob

LOL. LOL. But my manual says I have a Hi Performance V8?

Yup: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...92&postcount=3