Some nice comparison pictures of 1M vs 135i

[NFIDDY5]

No offense to those that claim that myself and other 135i owners are trying to bash to 1M to justify our onwing of the 135i, but you don't know WTF you are talking about. I was totally on board w/the 1M up until seeing these comparison pictures. The car is hideous. I can spend just as much in aftermarket parts for my 135i and make a better looking and probably better overall performer than the 1M. Its a matter of taste. And I came from the E46 M3 camp as was totally in love w/the E92 M3. So you are wrong. Twice. I respect the 1M for what it can do out of the box and for its performance potential. But to me, its ugly. Not justifying anything here.

And, for the record, rhhere are quite a few things on the 1M I would totally love to have for my 135i. And there are things on my 135i that I would love to ditch. So again, its nothing to do w/justifying my current car.

[Fuerza]

Lets keep the $45k price estimate!

[sho-one]

Obviously it's a difference of opinion, so how am I wrong? I understand we are in 1addicts forum, but if we took a poll of the general public on which looks better, I'm sure most people will prefer the 1m. Doesn't mean anyone is wrong. Some people liked the pt cruiser and Aztec, which I think were hideous. But to each their own.

[sho-one]

Originally Posted by sho-one

Obviously it's a difference of opinion, so how am I wrong? I understand we are in 1addicts forum, but if we took a poll of the general public on which looks better, I'm sure most people will prefer the 1m. Doesn't mean anyone is wrong. Some people liked the pt cruiser and Aztec, which I think were hideous. But to each their own.

Btw I'm not saying the 1 series looks like a pt cruiser, but if they made a pt cruiser M, I don't know how it could look worse than the original.

[sho-one]

Um I take that back, th pt cruiser is helpless

[NFIDDY5]

I wasn't saying anyone was "wrong" for liking the 1M. I said that those insinuating I was stating the 1M was hideous to make me feel better about buying the 135i instead of waiting for the 1M was wrong. For starters, the 1M wasn't even an option then, nor was it really even known to be a production model that would be available. Secondly, given the MSRP, you will be lucky getting out the door for under $60,000 w/financing. That could easily be used to modify a 135i to possibly look better and perform better. Again, what I stated was wrong was assuming that people are just bashing it to feel better about owning the "lesser" of the two in the 135i. To each his own.

[onehungevo]

They should have changed the side skirts and spoiler. It doesn't look too much different.

[Moo]

Originally Posted by NFIDDY5

Again, what I stated was wrong was assuming that people are just bashing it to feel better about owning the "lesser" of the two in the 135i.

So you are saying that there's absolutely zero "sour-grape" mentality from all current 135i owners who bash the 1M?

[NFIDDY5]

Originally Posted by Moo

So you are saying that there's absolutely zero "sour-grape" mentality from all current 135i owners who bash the 1M?

I can only speak for myself. As I am sure there are some or many that suffer from that mentality, I am sure not all of us who think the car is displeasing aesthetically, suffer from an inferiority complex. But again, I am only speaking on my behalf. I do not think negatively of the 1M because I own a 135i. Again, I liked it and was willing to trade in my brand new 135i and take a huge loss in order to get the 1M. But after seeing better pictures of it, its not worth it. I can source a differential and other things from the 1M I do like for my 135i. Sounds to me like most of the 1M enthusiasts suffer more from a superiority complex more than current 135i owners suffer from an inferiority complex. Just saying.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by NFIDDY5

I can only speak for myself. As I am sure there are some or many that suffer from that mentality, I am sure not all of us who think the car is displeasing aesthetically, suffer from an inferiority complex. But again, I am only speaking on my behalf. I do not think negatively of the 1M because I own a 135i. Again, I liked it and was willing to trade in my brand new 135i and take a huge loss in order to get the 1M. But after seeing better pictures of it, its not worth it. I can source a differential and other things from the 1M I do like for my 135i. Sounds to me like most of the 1M enthusiasts suffer more from a superiority complex more than current 135i owners suffer from an inferiority complex. Just saying.

I just turned in my 08 135 for a 11 135--if the timing could have worked out, I would have wanted to get the 1M for sure. But my 08 135 lease ended in April, so I wouldn't have had any way to bridge the gap between then and whenever the 1M makes it to the US.

Additionally, at least in earlier ///M models, the lack of "difference" styling-wise was sort of the point. You think the car looks like a normal 1 or 3 series, but in reality it is a whole different animal.

I am in love with my new 135...and that is mainly because of the DCT...now that I have owned it, I am not sure I will ever want a manual again...that not being offered on the 1M is the biggest disappointment to me (and it isn't a major one because I think the 1M is gonna be badass), not the styling...

[billspreston]

Originally Posted by NFIDDY5

I can only speak for myself. As I am sure there are some or many that suffer from that mentality, I am sure not all of us who think the car is displeasing aesthetically, suffer from an inferiority complex. But again, I am only speaking on my behalf. I do not think negatively of the 1M because I own a 135i. Again, I liked it and was willing to trade in my brand new 135i and take a huge loss in order to get the 1M. But after seeing better pictures of it, its not worth it. I can source a differential and other things from the 1M I do like for my 135i. Sounds to me like most of the 1M enthusiasts suffer more from a superiority complex more than current 135i owners suffer from an inferiority complex. Just saying.

I seem to have struck a chord with the whole justification thing sorry about that. I currently own a 135i for the record.

I guess I just don't really understand how you can form such a harsh opinion saying the 1M is "hideous" after only seeing a few photos and videos online. Give it a little time to sink and I don't know maybe view the car in person before passing such judgement. The 1M shares the same lines and is just "enhanced" with more aggressive features so if you truly love the looks of your 135i the 1Ms appearance should not be that offensive to you.

I think a lot of people here would have to "take a big financial hit" as you say to get out of their 135i and into a 1M. The 1M would have to be really special for them to do so and expectations were probably set too high. From your perspective, the 1M might not be worth it and that is quite understandable. If the 1M was available when you purchased your 135i I'm guessing your opinions on the 1M would be a little more openminded.

Personally, I think the wider fenders, aggressive bumpers, and new headlights really do wonders for minimizing some of the awkward features of the 135i while enhancing the good features. The interior is a bit of a let down for an M car, but really only because of the seats, which in reality are quite nice. The suspension package and handling is really what this car is all about and I'm sure it will not disappoint.

The MSRP on my 135i was 47k (paid 44k) and I've since added wheels, nice tires, v2 coilovers, and m3 sway bars putting me well over 1M price already with nowhere near the performance. Creating a 1M isn't as simple as piecing together parts in a 135i and doing so would cost well over what a 1M will cost. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves or has never driven an M car.

The 1M truly is a great value. Close to M3 performance for $46k! How are people complaining!!

[sho-one]

Spot on response Bill, I couldn't of said it any better.

[NFIDDY5]

I was just trying to say I don't have an inferiority complex nor do I have a "sour grapes" mentality. I was just expressing that and stating that I can only speak on my behalf on the subject and giving reasons why. An example, when I went to trade in my EVO VIII, I wanted to stick w/the EVO platform. But when I saw the EVO X, I couldn't get over how terrible the rear end of the car looked AND the fact that it went from a cast-iron block to an aluminum block. But I was open minded seeing as how I LOVED my GSR. But I went and looked at them in person after seeing the photos and videos and still felt the same way. Hence my feelings towards the 1M. Its a badass machine, but I dislike the exterior. Good talk though.

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by billspreston

Creating a 1M isn't as simple as piecing together parts in a 135i and doing so would cost well over what a 1M will cost. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves or has never driven an M car.

The 1M truly is a great value. Close to M3 performance for $46k! How are people complaining!!

I think thats true if you bought a new 135 and added the 1M bits, but if you had to trade your 135 in and shell out an additional 20-25k for the 1M the cost of adopting would be higher than modding.

Im getting the 1M regardless, just think thats what everyones grip is.

[billspreston]

Originally Posted by Papethova

I think thats true if you bought a new 135 and added the 1M bits, but if you had to trade your 135 in and shell out an additional 20-25k for the 1M the cost of adopting would be higher than modding.

Im getting the 1M regardless, just think thats what everyones grip is.

Totally recognize nearly everyone here would take a big financial hit trading in a 135i for the 1M but in fairness that's really an apple to oranges to comparison. Whichever way you slice the fruit, everyones 135i had an MSRP of 36,000-48,000 at one point in time and that is where the comparison should lie.

Base Price of 135i: $36,925
Base Price of 1M: $46,000?
Difference: $9,075 (1M 25% more)

Base Price of 335i Coupe: $43,125
Base Price of M3 Coupe: $58,400
Difference: $15,275 (M3 35% more)

Base Price of 1M: $46,000?
Base Price of M3 Coupe: $58,400
Difference: $12,400 (M3 27% more)

So looking at those numbers the 1M is a tremendous value. The 1M has moderately less power with similar suspension and drivetrain in a lighter package. I would challenge anyone to turn a 135i into a 1M with $9,075. Remember you need to spec the m-sport package first so you only have $7,775 left.

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by billspreston

Totally recognize nearly everyone here would take a big financial hit trading in a 135i for the 1M but in fairness that's really an apple to oranges to comparison. Whichever way you slice the fruit, everyones 135i had an MSRP of 36,000-48,000 at one point in time and that is where the comparison should lie.

Base Price of 135i: $36,925
Base Price of 1M: $46,000?
Difference: $9,075 (1M 25% more)

Base Price of 335i Coupe: $43,125
Base Price of M3 Coupe: $58,400
Difference: $15,275 (M3 35% more)

Base Price of 1M: $46,000?
Base Price of M3 Coupe: $58,400
Difference: $12,400 (M3 27% more)

So looking at those numbers the 1M is a tremendous value. The 1M has moderately less power with similar suspension and drivetrain in a lighter package. I would challenge anyone to turn a 135i into a 1M with $9,075. Remember you need to spec the m-sport package first so you only have $7,775 left.

I dont dispute that its a value (not sure anyone does as an MSRP vs MSRP comparison) and I like the car enough that I will sell my 135 for 25-30k and shell out the difference to make up the price of the new 1M. Other 135 owners however will opt to keep their 135 and add the bits at a lower cost. Their cost to mod their 135 will ultimately be lower than mine to adopt the 1M (I cant imagine all those bits add up to ~25k)

I dont think anyone is disputing its value, just the cost to trade in versus upgrade their existing car. Or am I just reading this wrong?

[Moo]

Originally Posted by billspreston

Totally recognize nearly everyone here would take a big financial hit trading in a 135i for the 1M but in fairness that's really an apple to oranges to comparison. Whichever way you slice the fruit, everyones 135i had an MSRP of 36,000-48,000 at one point in time and that is where the comparison should lie.

Base Price of 135i: $36,925
Base Price of 1M: $46,000?
Difference: $9,075 (1M 25% more)

Base Price of 335i Coupe: $43,125
Base Price of M3 Coupe: $58,400
Difference: $15,275 (M3 35% more)

Base Price of 1M: $46,000?
Base Price of M3 Coupe: $58,400
Difference: $12,400 (M3 27% more)

So looking at those numbers the 1M is a tremendous value. The 1M has moderately less power with similar suspension and drivetrain in a lighter package. I would challenge anyone to turn a 135i into a 1M with $9,075. Remember you need to spec the m-sport package first so you only have $7,775 left.

...and compared to the M3, the 1M has -400 lbs (11% lighter) and +69 lb-ft (23% more torque)

P.S. regardless of who might be guilty of superiority/inferiority complex, it can't be nearly as bad as how 2010 Mustang GT owners felt when Ford came out with the 2011

[vividracing]

Agree with most of the comments here, like the flared arches, like the rims (is that a staggered setup, almost looks like it in some of the pics?) but not keen on that color.

Graeme

[billspreston]

Originally Posted by Moo

...and compared to the M3, the 1M has -400 lbs (11% lighter) and +69 lb-ft (23% more torque)

P.S. regardless of who might be guilty of superiority/inferiority complex, it can't be nearly as bad as how 2010 Mustang GT owners felt when Ford came out with the 2011

And -78hp (20% less power)

All things considered these 2 cars should be very close on the track when both fitted with a manual transmission. I'm quite curious to see how the two compare in real life.

Originally Posted by Papethova

I dont dispute that its a value (not sure anyone does as an MSRP vs MSRP comparison) and I like the car enough that I will sell my 135 for 25-30k and shell out the difference to make up the price of the new 1M. Other 135 owners however will opt to keep their 135 and add the bits at a lower cost. Their cost to mod their 135 will ultimately be lower than mine to adopt the 1M (I cant imagine all those bits add up to ~25k)

I dont think anyone is disputing its value, just the cost to trade in versus upgrade their existing car. Or am I just reading this wrong?

You're not reading wrong. We are in agreement, just saying it differently.

The late timing of the 1M and the fact that current 135i owners likely did not foresee a 1M production means many 1 series owners are going to be stuck with their 135i due to financial implications. I, unfortunately, fit into this group. If one was buying a new car without any prior financial obligations the choice between a 135i and 1M is a no brainer IMO.

[NFIDDY5]

^^^^ +1,000,000 on the no brainer comment for most.

[///M1]

I agree. While I think the 1 ///M is incredible value for what it is, the toughest sell from a value proposition is for exisiting 135i owners.

If you are buying new, the $9K (?) price differential is well worth the upgrade to an M from the 135i. However, for folks looking at a +20/25K hit at trade it, it is a tougher sell.

But keep in mind, no matter how much one mods a non-M car (even to the point it is faster than the ///M), the secondary market will be unkind to it. An M is an M, while a modded car is, well, just modded. You are limiting yourself to a small group of buyers that will consider a modded second-hand car to begin with, and even if so, you have to hope they like your mods and attribute the same value to these mods as you do.

[G33]

both ugly as fook