1M owners: your thoughts on the M2 after the reveal?

[vasmir]

I think it looks great... I like the colors/reflections off the Mineral Grey.

If I didn't already have my 1M the M2 would be next.

[Redadair]

I still don't like the looks of the front bumper at all. And I can't forgive BMW for piping in fake engine sounds into all of their performance cars these days. I'm hoping the exhaust sounds better than the Burp and Fart sounds of the M3/M4.

[Robin_NL]

I have pulled the trigger for an LBB M2 delivery in may.


Cheers
Robin

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Redadair

I still don't like the looks of the front bumper at all. And I can't forgive BMW for piping in fake engine sounds into all of their performance cars these days. I'm hoping the exhaust sounds better than the Burp and Fart sounds of the M3/M4.

Ditto on the fake sound. Has no place in a car of this caliber.

[ayao]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I have pulled the trigger for an LBB M2 delivery in may.


Cheers
Robin

What's the gameplan with the 1M with an M2 on the way?

[1'M Blue]

M2 Australian Launch Review (by M235i owner)

Originally Posted by Trackman

The iconic Mount Panorama race circuit, three hours drive west of Sydney at the township of Bathurst, couldn't have offered better road conditions in which to drive the M2 for the first time.

A 24 hour endurance race had ended just the weekend before and there were plenty of scars on the concrete walls at the top of the undulating and sinewy mountain, placed there to prevent drivers from spearing down the side or into the crowds as they nudge speeds of up to 200km/h. Race drivers liken it to parts of the Nurburgring. Get it wrong and you don't get a second chance.

With this in mind, it was expected that the launch of the M2 would be at a relatively modest pace. Instructors privately talked about it as more of a "drive experience" than a "track experience". It was a time and a place to leave any "track hero" ego behind and leave room to think about the vehicles we were to drive, in my case the M2, M3 and M4 in that order.

There were four vehicles of each type in the fleet and for some the excitement of driving the M2 had to wait to the end of the day. We got to drive each for about five or six laps in rotation with perhaps a 30 minute break between them.

We were given a comprehensive briefing on what distinguished the M2 and other M vehicles, had a formal "reveal" of the car with a black satin sheet pulled off the car to a contrived show of pumping music and flashing strobe lights. First impressions are more favourable in the "flesh" than in photos. The front end is smart, the rear more polarising. The hips are relatively pronounced and I was pleased to see a "stone guard" plastic film on them to reduce or eliminate chipping of the paint.

The interior was pretty much the same as my M235i expect with some cosmetic carbon fibre bits to help create a more race-inspired ambience. They're okay but didn't float my boat. Blue stitching around the seats were similarly cosmetic. Nothing too exciting and different in the cabin, I'm afraid to say.

Sitting in the car in pit lane we received instruction to start our engines. The car was set to Sport, and we were to leave it there and not change any settings. The familiar six cylinder sound noisily erupted, but with more of a burble than the 235i. I had a plan. Drive the first lap with the car self-shifting and then start to drive it with the steering wheel paddles.

I was fortunate to drive directly behind the instructor who set the pace according to the ability of all of those behind him and this was the most advantageous place to be.

Setting out onto the track I was pleased by the apparent urgency of the M2 and the associated exhaust note which created an initial thrill, and then by the clean and rapid gear shifts. Compared with the 235i, yes, it had more go, but not by a large margin. As we headed up the back straight, it held its gear as the instructor moderated his pace and then proceeded to the redline as we picked it up again. The in-cabin sound is awesome and at similar levels to the M3 and M4, but without the raspier and more metallic note of its big brothers.

Into the first corner and the start of the 174 metre (570 foot) rise to the top up an initial one in six incline, my first disappointment was revealed. Instead of decisively and intuitively dropping down through the gears, it held a relatively high gear and used its prodigious torque to pull its way up the mountain, in much the same way that the 235i does. And so it was, all the way up the mountain. Driven this way the chassis was secure and muted, not lively, exciting or remotely challenging to control, the gearbox keeping a lid on proceedings.

Mental note, this car needs to be driven as a manual on a race track if the auto box is chosen.

Across the top of the mountain through ultra-fast sweepers the handling was secure and sure footed, and down the steep and treacherous S-bends leading onto the straight the requirements of the gearbox disappeared into the background and the emphasis turned to the brakes and agility. In a word, the brakes were awesome. If there is one thing I wish for on the 235i, it is better brakes. The M2's had immediate strength - not bite - upon application and seemed progressively reassuring in their power. They worked in harmony with the chassis and everything felt like it was working together.

Coming around to the straight presented an opportunity to experience its speed and acceleration
in a down hill run with a rise at its fastest point which, with enough speed, is enough to put your heart - and stomach - in your throat. The M2 didn't hang around as it chased the lead M4 to its controlled speed limit. The aeros on the car keep it secure up to the approximate 180km/h we were limited to, but I think my M235i with the factory aero kit fitted feels a little more planted at that and higher speeds, but I wouldn't argue the point. Snapping the car into a right bend at that speed was drama free and late braking into the slow and tight left-hander which followed was similarly drama-free. But then, when I went to accelerate out of the corner and though the next which immediately followed to the right, it once again failed to match the right gear for the speed, punting through in a drowsy gear or two too high, relying too much on its torque and not enough on its power.

Happily the car took the race line well and was absolutely secure as it picked up speed under firm acceleration through the bend as we hurtled toward to the final 90 degree corner leading onto the straight. And this is where my next issue arouse.

Frustrated by the gearbox's slothfulness in downshifting (in Sport, remember) I tapped the paddle to drop into second from third under brakes and before turning in. Hello, is there anyone home? I'm still approaching the turn and I want second gear . . . when are you going to change? So, this is another observation of that car, on that day - the gearbox upshifts manually nicely and very smoothly compared with its bigger brothers, but down shifts seem to be something the car decides is appropriate (or not) sometime after you ask for it. For me, this is a serious black mark and frustration, but probably one that can be easily resolved by BMW if that is what it really wants to achieve.

I don't want to go on endlessly. I'll make some of my other observations in summary form:

The car felt much more responsive driven manually with the driver picking the right gear for the conditions rather than relying on the car to determine the best gear, but you have to be patient for it to arrive.

The car, at the modest speeds driven, felt very secure and cornered flatly and without the slightest hint of oversteer or understeer. How it would be when pushed to its dynamic limits, smoothly or clumsily, is impossible to determine on a day like this.

Swapping from the M2 to the M3 and M4, it was clear that the bigger brothers had sharper steering, felt more poised and planted, more dynamically responsive and felt much more "race car". The contrast was stark, but this does not mean the M2 is lacking. The M2 has beautiful poise and balance. The M3/4 feel comparatively raw and less forgiving.

The M2's power is satisfying, not savage. The big brothers once again shone in this department with a great top end surge and more metallic sound down the straight the than baby M.

How the baby M will go under very hard braking from higher speeds than those achieved on the day will be interesting to learn. I found the M3/4 a bit unsettled and floaty under brakes from 200km/h, but I reference that against my Porsche GT3; perhaps an unfair comparison.

At no time did I feel the traction control or ABS intervene on the M2, pointing to terrific grip and cornering poise when driven swiftly and in challenging cornering conditions. The downhill corners at Mount Panorama are in places very steep, very sharp and at times blind, and every one of them was taken absolutely securely with a nicely fluid turn-in. Understeer and oversteer were not even on the radar.

The M2 is a fun track car. I think it will bring out the best in most early to intermediate drivers by delivering smooth, predictable and fluid performance in a very balanced package, and for more advanced drivers I think it has the potential to bring out the larrikan and just satisfy with consistent and predictable performance. It won't be hard or scary to drive fast. Very likely you'll wave to the 235is as you pass them under brakes or exiting the corners.

Whether it is a good road car remains to be seen. The M2 lacks adjustable road and sport damper control settings which the 235i enjoys and which helps to make the 235i a great sporty - but comfortably compliant - road car. It also doesn't have all of the sound-deadening material ripped out, so road noise can be expected to intrude into the M2's cabin. And will it rise above the high performance levels of the rival A45AMG and RS3?

None of these questions could be answered on this beautiful and exciting day at Mount Panorama. This is something we are going to have to wait to read about when the driving pro's report their findings under various test conditions. Once again, I thank BMW for the privilege. It was an awesome experience.

Final note: Porsche Carrera Cup winner and multiple Mt Panorama champion Steve Richards was filmed doing a hot lap in the M2. Keep an eye out for it. It will surface at some time and will show what the M2 really is capable of achieving (on standard road tyres!).

[Nick65]

Great write-up, thanks! EVO mag in the UK are driving/reviewing it this week.

From the pictures it looks like a baby M4 and doesn't do anything for me - especially the wheels which to my eye are bland. I love the 1M / CSL wheels.

And personally, any car with a "smokey-burnout-mode" simply isn't cool ;O)

[Iceman21]

[fastauto]

I think it's a bad ass little car. I do not care enough to go pick one up but maybe seeing one in person will change my mind.

[Iceman21]

http://mashable.com/2016/02/16/first...2#.VgjPcktmkqy

[eeghie]

Originally Posted by Iceman21

http://mashable.com/2016/02/16/first...2#.VgjPcktmkqy

Linked underneath is Nick's full review. Next to a lot of praising on it's the performance, comes the ouch:

"The Bad

Slightly — just slightly — disconnected driving feel"

The 1M of course also got a bad review once. Hopefully Chris Harris and others have time to do decent comparative reviews.

[Dee Pee]

Originally Posted by eeghie

The 1M of course also got a bad review once. Hopefully Chris Harris and others have time to do decent comparative reviews.

It got two bad reviews that I can recall.

There was the YouTube comparo from Car and Driver where two knuckleheads compared the 1M to the M3 and declared the E9x was destined to be a classic.

And then there was some other yokel who pretty much admitted that the point of the car was lost on him and panned it. I didn't waste the neuron to remember his name but his review is probably linked in the forum stickies.

Both reviews aren't worth wasting your time on unless you've got some extended seat time...on the toilet...after a Chipotle.

[2010MSPORT335i]

If any of you guys are ready to jump ship to the M2, I will happily take your 1M off your hands

[bdaddylo]

Originally Posted by eeghie

Linked underneath is Nick's full review. Next to a lot of praising on it's the performance, comes the ouch:

"The Bad

Slightly — just slightly — disconnected driving feel"

The 1M of course also got a bad review once. Hopefully Chris Harris and others have time to do decent comparative reviews.

The 1M had several so-so reviews. The M2 IMO is more complete than the 1M design wise due the natural evolution/progression of a next generation model. To me Chris has gone soft on his latest reviews regarding steering feel, though his reviews are still the most entertaining. For instance, he didn't mind the fake sound of the F8x M3/4. Car and Driver and Randy Pobst are usually quite critical on steering feel, so those are the reviews I'm looking forward to the most.

Here's C&D's first drive review http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review. They didn't like the lack of steering feel and I find it interesting that the press cars have manual seats that aren't offered in the production model. Hmmmmm.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by bdaddylo

The 1M had several so-so reviews. The M2 IMO is more complete than the 1M design wise due the natural evolution/progression of a next generation model. To me Chris has gone soft on his latest reviews regarding steering feel, though his reviews are still the most entertaining. For instance, he didn't mind the fake sound of the F8x M3/4. Car and Driver and Randy Pobst are usually quite critical on steering feel, so those are the reviews I'm looking forward to the most.

Here's C&D's first drive review http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review. They didn't like the lack of steering feel and I find it interesting that the press cars have manual seats that aren't offered in the production model. Hmmmmm.

You saw two extremely attractive and athletic volleyball players and you're single. It's Saturday night and you want to go out with one of them or both. You are actually attracted to both but one keeps looking at her iPhone while you're trying to talk to her and you notice a few quirks like fake fingernails. The other one is slightly shorter, maybe .1 point lower on the looks scale but she is still very attractive. part of you likes the looks of the taller hot one but the other one looks you in the eye and smiles. She engages you and doesn't need to stare at an iPhone to have fun at a bar. So you end up asking her out. You still think the tall one is hot but you want engagement, fun and real.

That is how I feel about the M2. It is a great, hot car. I love it but the dumpy 1M feels more real to me. There is no iDrive and screen to distract. The brakes are plain black not painted blue with a sticker on them and the sound is 100% real. So I consider anyone that drives an M2 closer to my likes than someone that choses M4 and I think they picked a great car but I don't feel a desire to dump my 1M for one.

That's how I feel.

[ayao]

The fact that the 1M is a closet axe murderer also makes the relationship more exciting, somehow.

[vasmir]

Didn't see Bimmerfile's review mentioned yet.

http://www.bimmerfile.com/2016/02/16...e-2016-bmw-m2/

The author, Gabriel Bridger, makes some pretty good comparisons between the M2 and his 1M:

"The result is a car that feels slightly less on edge and (dare I say it) pissed off like the 1M. The M2 has a character that is just slightly more laid back and welcoming. In my time on some of the best roads in North America I found it both easier to drive fast and to live. Where the 1M was classic punk rock, the M2 is a new, smarter and more accessible form that is destined to find a wider audience. It?s punk rock that Starbucks can get behind."

Good review of its character!

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by ayao

The fact that the 1M is a closet axe murderer also makes the relationship more exciting, somehow.

This.

[abb6027]

I particularly like this part of the jalopnik review.

Is the M2 the perfect M? It is hands down better than the M4, which has turned into more of a grand tourer than a sports car.

But it falls a bit shy of the now-mythical 1M. That car was a far more focused machine that rewarded the best drivers who had the guts to extract the most from it. The M2 is very fast and very good, but it’s also a bit more mainstream. The M2 has a much broader target audience, and hence it is a little watered down.

That being said I think a much wider range of drivers will get way more enjoyment out of the M2 than the 1M. It’s easier to drive harder without the downside of scaring the bejesus out of you at random intervals.

Sort of sums up what I like about my 1M

[Em/1]

Originally Posted by Dee Pee

It got two bad reviews that I can recall.

There was the YouTube comparo from Car and Driver where two knuckleheads compared the 1M to the M3 and declared the E9x was destined to be a classic.

And then there was some other yokel who pretty much admitted that the point of the car was lost on him and panned it. I didn't waste the neuron to remember his name but his review is probably linked in the forum stickies.

Both reviews aren't worth wasting your time on unless you've got some extended seat time...on the toilet...after a Chipotle.

Pobst also dumped on the 1M when he did lightning lap--in fact, he said he "hated it"

[Jet Mech]

I was #1 on the list since last year for the M4GTS and I got a call a few days ago from my sales rep saying I can get it for sticker and only 300 will be made. I talked with my wife and she said I would have to sell my 1M..."you can't have 2 toys". I called back and said I would have to pass. I guess it will go to my son when I die.

After reading some of the M2 reviews it just makes you smile. I was so lucky to get one back in November of 2011.

Now maybe if they make a M2GTS with a manny...

[Benja]

Originally Posted by Jet Mech

I talked with my wife and she said I would have to sell my 1M..."you can't have 2 toys"

You can never have too many toys!

A strategy that works is not to keep all of the toys at home. She sees the 1M every day, its my roadcar. Then there's my trackcar she's never even seen that, she knows I have it but....out of sight out of mind Then there's the other car thats been rebuilt so many times she rarely sees it I'm running out of hiding places...