1M to 335is?

[borabora]

I had the opportunity to drive the 335is for a while after 19K miles in the 1M . Well , 2 different machines . Different noise , the 335is is way heavier , steering is also heavier . it's way too long and does not have that 1M agility . The 1M is a ///M , the 335is does not have that accuracy & precision feel in steering , has more body roll , weaker brakes . The DCT is comfortable but adds turbo lag . Overboost function feels different in the 2 cars .1M's M mode has sharper throttle response than 335is SPORT mode's .
You sure will appreciate the 335is' comfort , luxury & look . The 1M is clearly sharpier .

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by borabora

I had the opportunity to drive the 335is for a while after 19K miles in the 1M . Well , 2 different machines . Different noise , the 335is is way heavier , steering is also heavier . it's way too long and does not have that 1M agility . The 1M is a ///M , the 335is does not have that accuracy & precision feel in steering , has more body roll , weaker brakes . The DCT is comfortable but adds turbo lag . Overboost function feels different in the 2 cars .1M's M mode has sharper throttle response than 335is SPORT mode's .
You sure will appreciate the 335is' comfort , luxury & look . The 1M is clearly sharpier .

Excellent point - I've only driven a DCT 335is (I would get manual) and that was a long time ago. I should drive them back to back. I knew about the weight difference, I didn't realize the 335is is 10 inches longer! (wheelbase is only 4 inches longer). However, I did forget about the LSD on the 1M - one of my favorite features (when that back end kicks out just a touch when hitting it in 2nd). Pretty sure the 335is does not have that.

Also, as noted, I would not get the 335is with standard steering - way too heavy for me at slow speeds (which is where most of my driving occurs unfortunately).

Now if the weather would only get better...

[M3takesNYC]

Just an aside but related, people are confusing active steering with servotronic power assist.

Active steering changes the actual ratio so less of a turn of the wheel produces more of a turn in the car compared to non-active, especially under light speed.

Servo makes the steering really light at low speeds and gradually gets heavier. The ratio does not change, just the weight.

Although the 335is is heavy at low speeds, it lightens up fast at higher because of no servo.

My m3 steering is extremmlly light at very low speeds but firms to a rock at street and highway speed due to servotronic but has no active steering

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by M3takesNYC

Just an aside but related, people are confusing active steering with servotronic power assist.

Active steering changes the actual ratio so less of a turn of the wheel produces more of a turn in the car compared to non-active, especially under light speed.

Servo makes the steering really light at low speeds and gradually gets heavier. The ratio does not change, just the weight.

Although the 335is is heavy at low speeds, it lightens up fast at higher because of no servo.

My m3 steering is extremmlly light at very low speeds but firms to a rock at street and highway speed due to servotronic but has no active steering

I'm not sure anyone is confusing it. The 335is actually has servotronic. The problem is with the way it is calibrated - and that is firm as a rock at low speeds. For some reason, on the M cars, the steering is actually "lighter" than on the non-M cars*. I saw this with my M5 (compared to my previous car a 550 WITH Active Steering) and I can see it with my 1M where the steering is just about perfect and MUCH lighter than a 3-series.

On my 2008 M5, I had the Variable sport steering (I forgot what they called it back then, but that's what they call it now) - it was almost the best of both worlds - where the actual ratio changed the more you turned the wheel.

[Redadair]

I also never drive my 1M in salty, snowy, rainy conditions and I bought the car with this in mind. A couple of things to keep in mind about the 1M. It's about as rare a BMW as you will every get the chance of purchasing new, most likely ever!

I just purchased a 2004 330i ZHP Package Sedan with 52000 miles as my daily driver. The car is great and it only cost me $15K The car is in like new condition.

Get a good dependable daily driver, save the 1M for sunny weekends and be very happy you were lucky enough to buy one in the first place.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Redadair

Get a good dependable daily driver, save the 1M for sunny weekends and be very happy you were lucky enough to buy one in the first place.

Redadair, I have to ask, did you read the thread?

[m3kerry]

I own a 335is that is about 420hp and 450tq. I will sell you my 335 today......

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Redadair, I have to ask, did you read the thread?

Doug, did I miss something. You want a blue car with a sunroof that you can drive in the salt and snow? You think a 335is would be the best choice for this?

Yes I did read your post, again what are you confused about? Did you read my response? Do you know how rare your car is?

These are my opinions.

[gregthegr8]

Doug, why jump to a 335is as opposed to say a new 135is? I've driven the 335is and I preferred the 135is over it, and will be pretty similar to your 1M. I also imagine you could probably sell the 1M at a profit at this point as everybody is asking over $60k for them.

Could also get a 335ix and then add the BMW Performance Pack perhaps so it performs like an "is" but you also get the all-wheel drive. My 2 cents.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Redadair

Get a good dependable daily driver, save the 1M for sunny weekends and be very happy you were lucky enough to buy one in the first place.

I have a 2012 X6 50i. So the "good dependable daily driver" is taken care of.

The issue is the 1M and the "sunny weekends" of which there are three of them here in Chicago.

Originally Posted by gregthegr8

Doug, why jump to a 335is as opposed to say a new 135is? I've driven the 335is and I preferred the 135is over it, and will be pretty similar to your 1M. I also imagine you could probably sell the 1M at a profit at this point as everybody is asking over $60k for them.

Could also get a 335ix and then add the BMW Performance Pack perhaps so it performs like an "is" but you also get the all-wheel drive. My 2 cents.

The 335ix is nice, I like it - and it would make a great DD, but I have one of those (a DD). The 135is, as cool as it is, is not my style. Love the look of the 1M, the 135 however is not for me.

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by doug_999

I have a 2012 X6 50i. So the "good dependable daily driver" is taken care of.
The issue is the 1M and the "sunny weekends" of which there are three of them here in Chicago.

I must say I didn't read your Signature, just your post

Then I say sell it to someone who will appreciate the 1M more than you.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Redadair

I must say I didn't read your Signature, just your post

Then I say sell it to someone who will appreciate the 1M more than you.

and this post

Originally Posted by doug_999

.......
All - note I have an X6 as a daily driver. Make no mistake, it is an incredible truck, but it is a truck and not a car. Best darn driving truck out there, but still a truck.........

alas, the comments about me selling the car to someone who "will appreciate the car more than I do" are just silly (others said it before you). This thread is not about what I can do for others with my 1M

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by doug_999

and this post


alas, the comments about me selling the car to someone who "will appreciate the car more than I do" are just silly (others said it before you). This thread is not about what I can do for others with my 1M

Okay Doug, you win. But let me ask you this, why ask us what you should do with your car?

Goodby.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Redadair

Okay Doug, you win. But let me ask you this, why ask us what you should do with your car?

Goodby.

See the posts by
KennyPowers
M3 Adjuster
and
borabora

That's what I was looking for and they (and others) helped tremendously.

[M3takesNYC]

I may be way off base but why not grab a used e9x m3? Why get another car with almost the same power delivery and character instead of having the best of both worlds? I think an ideal setup for any true car guy is a high revving screamer and a low-end torque monster. A used m3 would not have to be babied, easier to drive in the winter than a 1M given its relatively lower low-end torque and you could enjoy another M car with radically different attributes. Get it for the sound alone of 8500 RPM v8.

Maybe a few more dollars but probably not a huge difference with a used m3 vs new 335

[Robin_NL]

I'm always praying for snow

Anyway Doug, you already have an X6(daily?) , why would you trade the excellent 1M for a more common 335is?

1M is very usable as a daily and I don't think a 1M is a 250GTO or something like that, but if you want to keep it in pristine condition, just do it, I really understand. But come on, don't trade it for a 335is imo. Emotionless car imo.

Cheers
Robin

[Black Gold]

i would agree. if you already have an x6 for a dd, i would, if anything, consider trading the 1M for an even more focused weekend car. i personally dont plan to do this, i plan to eventually transition the 1M into a weekend car / track car.

like a cayman s, 997tt, z06, gtr, etc....

makes no sense to have 2 DD type cars IMO

the 335is is going the wrong direction in my opinion

and i also disagree about steering feel. i owned an e90 335 also. perhaps at low speeds the 335 is slightly heavier steering, but at higher speeds the 1M is much firmer and more direct. and i was never personally bothered by the steering weight, its not that heavy imo.

either way, good luck

[maupineda]

I think that if heavy steering is a concern then the 1M is not is not for the OE, or probably any true sports car. If you already have a proper DD why bother selling the 1M due to DD concerns.

I would consider selling for financial reasons, upgrading to something upscale or car renewal, other than that it seems that OP just don't want the car anymore and want an excuse to move to something else regardless of vehicle type.

I think you would be better of selling and so the car going to an enthusiast.

[TXmtrhed]

I had a 2007 e90 335i that I traded in for my 1M. The 335 was modded to an extent that it was the equal of or better than a 335is - Dinan stage II chip, LSD, M3 control arms and antiroll bars, non RFT PS2's. The next step was to be springs and shocks.

The two cars couldn't be more different; the 1M smaller and much more agile, the 335 was more powerful yet heavier and softer. I am very glad I made the switch with absolutely no regrets.

From my perspective my 1M was always going to be a DD as I can't afford an extra car, so even though I value the uniqueness of the car it is essentially a tool to be used for everything from cummuting to carrying bags of mulch or going to the track.

[b33g33]

My 1M had to go into the Dealer's shop for a couple of weeks to get some warranty work done and they had to ship a part from Germany.

I had a 2011 335is as my loaner during that time and got to know if very well as it was my DD. It was a DCT version in metallic gray. Quite a looker.

These were my impressions in order of priority:

The Bad

• Steering - Much, much heavier than the 1M. Also the lock-to-lock seems to take a bajillion turns and seems glacially slow after the quick and precise 1M wheel.
  
• Ride - I'm sure this could be somewhat alleviated by putting some decent tires on instead of the horrible OEM run-flats but the ride is very hard. There is none of the firm but pliant ride you get in the 1M. On the plus side, a friend who took a ride in it mentioned that it was a lot more comfy than her Genesis Coupe! That Hyundai must have concrete shocks.
  
• Handling - Not as sharp. There isn't that immediate willingness to respond to the driver's input. It's almost like the car takes a moment to think if it should do what I want it do while the 1M just says 'fuck it, let's do this!' Also see 'steering'
  
• Acceleration - With the DCT, there isn't a discernible difference between 0-n times on the road. There is, however, a huge difference to me in seat-of-the-pants feel. The 1M is very impressive in 2nd and 3rd and through-the-gears acceleration, the 335is is more sedate and nowhere near as brutal.
  
• Cupholder - This must be the dumbest cupholder design in history. I say this as a B5 Audi owner who's cupholder cannot even hold a full sized coffee mug.

The good

• The sound - It's glorious. This is what the 1M should have sounded like from the factory.
  
• Looks - It's a great looking car. Doesn't have the same road presence as the 1M but it is prettier with better proportions
  
• Interior quality - Slightly better interior except for the retarded cup holder.

There's a bunch of other stuff I noticed like the fact that it was narrower than the 1M (based on garage ******* and has an equally poor turning radius. It seemed to attract more attention sometimes than my BSM 1M.

Personally, I could not live with it knowing that I gave up the 1M. In fact, I would get an E46/E90 M3 before a 335is even if I kept the 1M as well.

[ozinaldo]

Originally Posted by b33g33

My 1M had to go into the Dealer's shop for a couple of weeks to get some warranty work done and they had to ship a part from Germany.

I had a 2011 335is as my loaner during that time and got to know if very well as it was my DD. It was a DCT version in metallic gray. Quite a looker.

These were my impressions in order of priority:

The Bad

• Steering - Much, much heavier than the 1M. Also the lock-to-lock seems to take a bajillion turns and seems glacially slow after the quick and precise 1M wheel.
  
• Ride - I'm sure this could be somewhat alleviated by putting some decent tires on instead of the horrible OEM run-flats but the ride is very hard. There is none of the firm but pliant ride you get in the 1M. On the plus side, a friend who took a ride in it mentioned that it was a lot more comfy than her Genesis Coupe! That Hyundai must have concrete shocks.
  
• Handling - Not as sharp. There isn't that immediate willingness to respond to the driver's input. It's almost like the car takes a moment to think if it should do what I want it do while the 1M just says 'fuck it, let's do this!' Also see 'steering'
  
• Acceleration - With the DCT, there isn't a discernible difference between 0-n times on the road. There is, however, a huge difference to me in seat-of-the-pants feel. The 1M is very impressive in 2nd and 3rd and through-the-gears acceleration, the 335is is more sedate and nowhere near as brutal.
  
• Cupholder - This must be the dumbest cupholder design in history. I say this as a B5 Audi owner who's cupholder cannot even hold a full sized coffee mug.

The good

• The sound - It's glorious. This is what the 1M should have sounded like from the factory.
  
• Looks - It's a great looking car. Doesn't have the same road presence as the 1M but it is prettier with better proportions
  
• Interior quality - Slightly better interior except for the retarded cup holder.

There's a bunch of other stuff I noticed like the fact that it was narrower than the 1M (based on garage ******* and has an equally poor turning radius. It seemed to attract more attention sometimes than my BSM 1M.

Personally, I could not live with it knowing that I gave up the 1M. In fact, I would get an E46/E90 M3 before a 335is even if I kept the 1M as well.

Does this say it all or what? Personally, I feel like I just got a long test drive with the 335is after this excellent post.

OP, even the fact that you are asking this in 1M Forum shows that you are looking for convincing justification material from us and you are not really ready to part with your 1M. Don't do it for the reasons you have mentioned, it is a formula for regret.

[edwardio]

Originally Posted by ///BYU

Kay Segler regrets he is not able to respond personally to your post, but he asked that I post this.

will give you goose pimples huh haha