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      04-25-2012, 07:51 PM   #243
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Wow! This is a funny thread. I've never even considered that anyone would cross-shop a 128i and 135i. I mean, seems like they appeal to two COMPLETELY different personalities. Maybe I'm narrow minded, but really?
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Of course people would cross shop the two models. Really, it's mainly an engine difference, especially if you start adding options to the 128i. There will still be a few differences, but largely you'll end up with identical cars except for the engines, wheels, and brakes. Anyway, I cross shopped the two. I set out to buy a new 135i and ended up with a CPO 128i and an additional $15k+ in my bank account!
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      04-25-2012, 09:03 PM   #245
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Wow! This is a funny thread. I've never even considered that anyone would cross-shop a 128i and 135i. I mean, seems like they appeal to two COMPLETELY different personalities. Maybe I'm narrow minded, but really?
I love these 135i owners who think they own a totally different car than the 128i. I think some of them really think the 135i is almost a supercar and the 128i is basically a Corolla, lol. They have the douchey attitude of a stereotypical M owner without even the M to back it up.
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      04-25-2012, 09:59 PM   #246
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It's one thing to talk down a car, but when it get's personal...

Make fun of my 128i all you want; don't try calling me an idiot for buying one, please.


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I'm not trying to start an argument on which car is better, 128i or 135i. Clearly everyone picked there car for different purposes. As for me, i went with a 135i, for performance.

I agree, the 135i owners talking down on 128i owners is immature, since it's still a BMW, we should all be respectful one another. But in a way, aren't you 128i owners doing the same thing as us 135i, and talking down on the 135i?

I've encountered multiple posts on this thread that a 128i owner stating that "they are glad they didn't choose the 135i because of HPFP," or "turbo engine's don't last as long as a N/A" or "carbon buildup".

This thread's purpose is for people who bought a 128i, but later down the road, actually wants 135i, not "I bought a 128i because the 135i has.....problems".

If your tired of the 135i owners talking down on the 128i, you should do the same and stop listing the problems on the 135i .
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Of course people would cross shop the two models. Really, it's mainly an engine difference, especially if you start adding options to the 128i. There will still be a few differences, but largely you'll end up with identical cars except for the engines, wheels, and brakes. Anyway, I cross shopped the two. I set out to buy a new 135i and ended up with a CPO 128i and an additional $15k+ in my bank account!
I did the same. CPO 2009 with MT Msport 17K miles $24K

Glad to see there's another 1 in PA - I have yet to see one on the road.
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      04-26-2012, 12:01 AM   #248
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I love these 135i owners who think they own a totally different car than the 128i. I think some of them really think the 135i is almost a supercar and the 128i is basically a Corolla, lol. They have the douchey attitude of a stereotypical M owner without even the M to back it up.
Haha, you are why this thread is funny to me. I was taking a jab precisely at you, no denying it. You, being the person that gets all defensive like you did. I'm not talking down.. the 128 is a great car, but I honestly have to question the thought process of someone who seriously considers both. I mean, I cross-shopped the 135 against a new mustang, G37, 370Z... because I wanted the quickest and funnest-to-drive car that I could afford to buy new and it came down to the bmw. Same case for something like the new challenger that you can get with 305hp V6, 375hp V8, or the 6.4L 470hp SRT8! I mean, if you want a challenger, you know whether you want a 305hp V6 or a 470hp V8 right from the start don't you? The N52 vs. N54 is the same when you consider the tuning potential of the N54. I think you are projecting your own doucheyness and insecurity by reading too much into my op. PS - my friend's '98 corolla is pretty fast and since we're all in San Antonio we could line up 3 abreast sometime if you want so we could all bask in glory of the subtle differences between a corolla, a 128i and a 135i, but that'd be the stereotypical M owner attitude move wouldn't it... shucks cause it'd be fun! lighten up bra!
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      04-26-2012, 12:52 AM   #249
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I think there's more than one of us 128 owners on this forum that are told directly and indirectly that we should have bought the 135, and we're tired of hearing it . And I was one who was trying to decide between the two models. There were a couple of reasons I decided on the 128, one of which was not having to deal with the complication of the turbo engine. Another reason is that I like to drive pretty fast most of the time, and I'm pretty sure I'd get a lot more speeding tickets in the 135. Also, for the price of a 135 vert, I can almost buy a Boxster which I would probably rather have at that price level. But 135 owners shouldn't assume that 128 owners aren't driving enthusiasts and that we didn't cross shop the 2 models in addition to other brands.
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      04-26-2012, 01:14 AM   #251
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I think there's more than one of us 128 owners on this forum that are told directly and indirectly that we should have bought the 135, and we're tired of hearing it . And I was one who was trying to decide between the two models. There were a couple of reasons I decided on the 128, one of which was not having to deal with the complication of the turbo engine. Another reason is that I like to drive pretty fast most of the time, and I'm pretty sure I'd get a lot more speeding tickets in the 135. Also, for the price of a 135 vert, I can almost buy a Boxster which I would probably rather have at that price level. But 135 owners shouldn't assume that 128 owners aren't driving enthusiasts and that we didn't cross shop the 2 models in addition to other brands.
Not to mention, my car is paid off.
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      04-26-2012, 09:55 AM   #252
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I love these 135i owners who think they own a totally different car than the 128i. I think some of them really think the 135i is almost a supercar and the 128i is basically a Corolla, lol. They have the douchey attitude of a stereotypical M owner without even the M to back it up.
I think the automotive press is the same way: there's eminently more reviews on the 135i than the 128i...
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And then there are the reviews that tout the 128i as the BMW of choice because of its "purity," neither overwhelming nor underwhelming power, and more equal balance over the 135i.
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      04-26-2012, 11:43 AM   #254
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And then there are the reviews that tout the 128i as the BMW of choice because of its "purity," neither overwhelming nor underwhelming power, and more equal balance over the 135i.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

Shhhh - we're not supposed to mention these.

Personally, I feel that for my purposes the N52 has more than adequate power for this chassis. In fact, I felt it necessary to upgrade the suspension, especially after starting to track/auto-x/etc. Considering the 135i has the exact same suspension, but +70 hp and a heavier front end, how could it not be unbalanced? Sure, you can upgrade a 135i's supension just as easily, but many owners don't - they just get a tune and call it a day, making the gap between power and control even wider. Good for them.

At my last track day, my instructor (who was there tracking his own 135i and also tracks a Cayman) remarked that he thought my car was more balanced.

Also, when I bought my 128i, the HPFP issue was huge and I wasn't interested in buying a $40k car that might decide not start one day during the first year of ownership. Add the carbon issue that's cropping up, and the simple fact that those two turbos are going to require attention eventually, and you have a car that will absolutely be a bigger headache for the long-term owner than anything with an N52 in it.

Finally, price. I paid off my 128i in two years, so it's not like I couldn't have afforded a 135i. But at the end of the day, I didn't want to spend that much, particularly for a car that was going to be more expensive to operate and maintain. For the car enthusiast, every purchase is an equation between price and performance, and when I weighed my options I found the 128i to be a better value. But it's still very much a performance vehicle, despite the tacky 135i owners who seem dead set on convincing us that we bought a commuter appliance.
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      04-26-2012, 12:20 PM   #255
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Also, when I bought my 128i, the HPFP issue was huge and I wasn't interested in buying a $40k car that might decide not start one day during the first year of ownership. Add the carbon issue that's cropping up, and the simple fact that those two turbos are going to require attention eventually, and you have a car that will absolutely be a bigger headache for the long-term owner than anything with an N52 in it.

Finally, price. I paid off my 128i in two years, so it's not like I couldn't have afforded a 135i. But at the end of the day, I didn't want to spend that much, particularly for a car that was going to be more expensive to operate and maintain. For the car enthusiast, every purchase is an equation between price and performance, and when I weighed my options I found the 128i to be a better value. But it's still very much a performance vehicle, despite the tacky 135i owners who seem dead set on convincing us that we bought a commuter appliance.
You're spot on.

I've always been a little leery about turbos and the baggage that they carry... Not something I want always in the back of my mind.
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I love these 135i owners who think they own a totally different car than the 128i. I think some of them really think the 135i is almost a supercar and the 128i is basically a Corolla, lol. They have the douchey attitude of a stereotypical M owner without even the M to back it up.
I laughed when I read this. You are so on point. The same can be said for all the three series guys that shit on the 1.
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      04-26-2012, 01:59 PM   #257
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The same can be said for all the three series guys that shit on the 1.
No kidding. I try to stay far away from E90Post. That place is toxic.
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And then there are the reviews that tout the 128i as the BMW of choice because of its "purity," neither overwhelming nor underwhelming power, and more equal balance over the 135i.
Not that I own either, but I far and away prefer the 128 to the 135:
200+ lbs lighter
NA power delivery
no HPFP issues
no turbo issues
no direct injection issues
better shifting manual than the 135

In exchance, on the 135 you get more power. Personally, I prefer the 128i engine over the 135i engine, even-- torque means you can be lazy, whereas low torque high revving engines force you to stay involved in the process (assuming you have a manual). I'd far rather have a lighter, more involving car than a heavier, less involving, (and less reliable in this case) one. At the same price, I'd prefer the 128i.

Then again, maybe this going to explain why I don't like modern BMWs as a whole. In my mind, the 128i is very much the last hurrah for traditional BMW values... and I don't share in their new values.

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Not that I own either, but I far and away prefer the 128 to the 135:
200+ lbs lighter
NA power delivery
no HPFP issues
no turbo issues
no direct injection issues
better shifting manual than the 135

In exchance, on the 135 you get more power. Personally, I prefer the 128i engine over the 135i engine, even-- torque means you can be lazy, whereas low torque high revving engines force you to stay involved in the process (assuming you have a manual). I'd far rather have a lighter, more involving car than a heavier, less involving, (and less reliable in this case) one. At the same price, I'd prefer the 128i.
It really is a trade off. Both cars have minor advantages but they are very similar cars in most respects.

Which car people pick most often is a personal choice rather than solely a monetary one which people seem to always try and highlight.

Many of the advantages you note for the 128i over the 135i are the reasons why I didn't get a 335i.

I knew of the hpfp issues and the maintenance required with turbo cars but that didn't sway me with my purchase and I don't have any regrets. My car has been very reliable.

I support Bimmer-Bob's point about Suspension improvement / power. My car was far more improved through suspension work than the tune. If I had to pick a stock 135i or a 128i with the Price difference thrown into suspension work, I would take the 128i.
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If I had to pick a stock 135i or a 128i with the Price difference thrown into suspension work, I would take the 128i.
This.

I've tried explaining this to people, but some just don't get it.
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In my mind, the 128i is very much the last hurrah for traditional BMW values...
Amen!

It's like a future classic that no one will ever care about, lol. It's just been overshadowed by the 135i, and now the 1M.
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Shouldn't the question be "Do any of you 135i owners regret not buying a 128i?

I had the money, in my checking account, to buy a 135i rather than a 128i. I didn't want it. The power difference is almost unusable on the street. Turbo motors may be a lot better these days but I tend to keep cars 8-10 years and I didn't want to be looking at a turbo replacement and/or engine rebuild just for the extremely rare chances to use the extra power. I am completely happy with my choice.

To me the question was just how much do I want to spend (not how much can I spend) and how much more is the extra power worth to me. I wanted the convertible top which costs nearly as much as the turbo motor a lot more than the extra hp. Both was more than I wanted to spend (although still easily in the range of money I had available).

I have nothing against people who added it up differently. I enjoyed the 135i on the BMW Performance Center track when I took PC delivery on my 128i (they had no 128i). The extra torque across the rpm range is nice but it does not put much emphasis on driving the car "right". Gear doesn't matter much, you can be one higher or lower than you should be and still have plenty of grunt. Too high a gear is almost worse than too low. It's a nice car, just not what I wanted to own.

I've also ridden in a 1M on the same track with an instructor driving. It's a beast. But how many chances would I get to "let the beast out"? I thought about it but didn't really come close to pulling the trigger. Not because I couldn't just because I didn't want to. I also drove the M3, M5 and M6 in a two day M school. They're great cars. What I miss most on my 128i is not the engines, it is the brakes. I may have to fix that. I would only notice it on an autocross but it's really nice to be able to stand on them repeatedly with no noticable fade.

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New guy here... Is the 128i's NA straight six history for the upcoming 2013 model?

I'm thinking the 128i is the car for me, with at least Sport & Xenons,... but it'll have to be a Steptronic, since the wife will end up driving it on occasion. Is that a good transmission, as automatics go, or should I try to get the 6MT if at all possible?
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New guy here... Is the 128i's NA straight six history for the upcoming 2013 model?

I'm thinking the 128i is the car for me, with at least Sport & Xenons,... but it'll have to be a Steptronic, since the wife will end up driving it on occasion. Is that a good transmission, as automatics go, or should I try to get the 6MT if at all possible?
I'd teach the wifey how to drive a stick.
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